On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: > Hi, > > I personally like Marta's suggestion a lot (that's definitely be the > one I > would use) and I think providing it to users would be cool. However > displaying both input methods on the same page might look clunky. > > What we could do is to take advantage of XWiki's simple user / > advanced user > feature: we could display the full graphical interface for simple > user and > the quick input one for advanced users, or maybe have 2 tabs with > the simple > one selected for simple users and the advanced one selected for > advanced > users when they click on the "add link" button. > > WDYT?
No sure. I thought about this too a few days ago but I thought it would be too "magical" and as an advanced user I might want to use the navigation part too. I don't know so I would say +0. Thanks -Vincent > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Vincent Massol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Yes +1 >> >> This is exactly what I had in mind too. >> >> And yes we should make the control reusable for navigating to any >> page >> quickly. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Marta Girdea wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Here's my (late) reaction to the discussion about managing links in >>> the new >>> wysiwyg: >>> >>> All the proposals target users who are XWiki beginners and need >>> guidance in >>> their actions. This is good, of course, for a newbie it's the right >>> approach, but a more experienced user will be *very* annoyed with >>> all the >>> clicking and tabbing and browsing that is necessary in order to >>> create a >>> link. Experienced users should also have the right to use the >>> wysiwyg >>> without being slowed down by all the help it offers. >>> >>> Consequently, I would propose to provide two ways of creating the >>> link. In >>> the dedicated dialog, there should be two areas (sorry i didn't >>> make a >>> drawing): >>> - top: a small zone for those who know what they are doing, with a >>> single >>> input endowed with a "smart" suggest feature. >>> - under it, a bigger zone containing one of the proposed complex >>> selection >>> interfaces. In my opinion, this zone should be collapsed for >>> advanced users. >>> >>> Here's an example that illustrates how the link input would work. >>> When the >>> user starts writing "de" in the input, the suggestions will include >>> all >>> wikis, spaces from the current wiki and pages from the current space >>> that >>> start with "de", for example in this form: >>> *de*v: >>> *De*velopment. >>> CurrentSpace.*De*tails >>> (For experienced users, it will be obvious that what ends with ":" >>> is a >>> virtual wiki, what ends with "." is a space in the current wiki, >>> etc. Maybe >>> some color codes can be used in the suggestion list to help them to >>> quickly >>> spot what they need, and, for a "richer" experience, the different >>> fragments >>> of the path can be displayed in the input with that color, for >>> example: >>> purple for wikis, blue for spaces, green for pages. The same color >>> codes >>> could be used in the beginner's zone as well.) >>> >>> If the user chooses "dev:", then at that point we start suggesting, >>> according to the user's input, spaces from that wiki, and so on. >>> Also, >>> whenever the user hits ":" (not necessarily by choosing explicitly >>> one of >>> the suggestions), we realize that so far he specified a virtual >>> wiki, and >>> start making suggestions of spaces from that wiki. >>> >>> So, basically, this is addressed to users that know the syntax of an >>> internal wiki link, know where they want to link, and just want to >>> type it >>> quickly. >>> >>> (offtopic: such an input would also be very useful for implementing >>> Vincent's idea XWIKI-1485). >>> >>> Of course, the user may be wrong and try to point to a page that >>> does not >>> exist. He will be informed about the mistake with a small warning >>> somewhere >>> around the input, but he will be allowed to continue (maybe he knows >>> what >>> he's doing; otherwise he would have used the wizard :) ). >>> >>> A complex selection interface is very necessary and can under no >>> circumstances be replaced by this toy, but, in my opinion, if the >>> beginners >>> are properly helped by it and shown the result of their actions, >>> some may >>> start to understand how to write the paths without all the guidance >>> and end >>> up preferring to use the more simple and quick variant. I'm thinking >>> that >>> maybe the two (the input and the selector) should be at all time >>> "synchronized". I'm aware that probably there's not enough time to >>> do >>> everything before 1.7, but imo this approach would really boost the >>> usability for all categories of users. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > -- > Guillaume Lerouge > Product Manager - XWiki > Skype ID : wikibc > http://blog.xwiki.com/ > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
