And the good news is that XWiki gives you the choice (velocity,  
groovy, python and ruby for now with others coming)! :)

Thanks for the info
-Vincent

On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Niels Mayer wrote:

> Too bad Groovy isn't in here: "Alternative Languages on a JVM"
> http://www.azulsystems.com/events/javaone_2009/session/2009_J1_JVMLang.pdf
> ...
>
>> Deeper Dive
>
>> Clojure - “almost close”
>
> ● Good: no obvious subroutine calls in inner loop
>
> ● Bad: Massive “ephemeral” object allocation -
>
> requires good GC
>
> ● But needs Escape Analysis to go really fast
>
> ● Ugly: fix-num overflow checks everywhere
>
> ● Turn off fix-nums: same speed as Java
>
> ● Weird “holes” -
>
> ● Not-optimized reflection calls here & there
>
> ● Can get reports on generated reflection calls
>
> 10
>
> Deeper Dive
>
>> Jython - “almost close”
>
> ● Also has fix-num issue; massive allocation
>
> ● Some extra locks thrown in
>
>> JavaScript/Rhino - “almost close”
>
> ● All things are Doubles – not 'double'
>
> ● Same fix-num allocation issues as Clojure, Jython
>
> ● Otherwise looks pretty good (no fix-num checks)
>
>> JRuby – Missed The Metal
>
> ● Assuming CachingCallSite::call inlines
>
> ● Using -XX:+PrintInlining to determine
>
> ● But flag is lying: claims method inlined, but it's not
>
> 11
>
> Common Issue – Fix-Nums
>
>> Huge allocation rate of “fix-nums”
>
> ● Allocation is not free
>
> ● Setting final fields cost a memory fence
>
> ● GC does NOT cost here
>
> ● i.e., object pooling would be a big loser
>
>> Could do much better with JIT
>
> ● Need “ultra-stupid” Escape Analysis
>
> ● Need some (easy) JIT tweaking
>
> ● e.g. Getting around Integer.valueOf(i) caching
>
> 12
>
> JRuby – Missed The Metal
>
>> Each minor action dispatches via “call”
>
>> Assuming CachingCallSite::call inlines
>
> ● (and allows further inlining)
>
>> Using -XX:+PrintInlining to determine
>
>> But flag is lying: claims inlined, but it's not
>
> ● BimorphicInlining is 'guessing' wrong target
>
>> Confirmed w/GDB on X86 Java6
>
>> Confirmed w/Azul profiler
>
> ● My 1st impression: can't be inlined ever
>
>
> Niels
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