Hi, On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:28, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Hi Caty, > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > The cleanup made also some minor changes. Some of them were remarked by > > > Marius because he needs to change some values in order for the WYSIWYG > > > tests > > > to pass. > > > I would like to know if anyone has some problems with: > > > > > > 1. paragraph text (Ps) is now aligned: justify instead of align: left; > > > (long text look better when they are justify ) > > > > > > > I do :-) > > > > I'm usually in favor of left-aligned text since justified text often ends > > up > > producing ugly-looking results, specially when used in small columns. > > > > Left-aligned text is also the standard on most websites and virtually > > every wiki software I know of. Additionally, people often use lists in > wiki > > pages and left-aligned text allows keeping a better flow between the text > > and lists. > > > > the Justify is for p elements - this means text in paragraphs. > The lists (ul, ol) are not justified right now. > I understood that already. Since the rendering creates a new paragraph each time a new line is created, it still means that almost all text will be justified. > I'd rather go with a more "solid" solution that can be used "safely" in > > every situation than a slightly better looking one that might break > > unexpected items. > > "unexpected items" - so I repeat, the justify is for paragraphs, not for > the > container. And text usually looks better when justified. I understand that. As I stated it above, the rendering / WYSIWYG create new paragraphs for virtually all of the content that is inputted on a wiki page thus most of the content on a page will use the justified form. As for "text usually looks better when justified", I disagree. Most browsers handle justification poorly and display big blocks of white between words. They create "rivers of white" between words that don't look good at all. From http://www.webtypography.net/Rhythm_and_Proportion/Horizontal_Motion/2.1.3/: "Effective justification of text can only be achieved if long words are hyphenated. HTML and CSS 2 do not have any provision for automatic hyphenation and current Web browsers support, even for manual hyphenation, is poor. So don’t justify text on the web." Justify works well when there's a lot of content on a page and there's a content flow (for books and long articles for instance). However most wiki pages are not books and hold technical content and relatively short lines of text. This means that in many cases we would end up with one justified line and then right underneath it an aligned-left line. This will look weird. Last but not least, rather than "text usually looks good" I'd like to see an explanation + examples of pages showing how justifying text will make XWiki easier to use for its users (will it make reading faster? will it make pages look more consistent and thus easier to grok by users?). Until then I'm not convinced it's a good change. To summarize: in most cases justify won't bring much value and it's less flexible and causes more issues than align left. I won't change my mind unless I see how it makes reading more effective on a production wiki with "real life" text. Guillaume > Since XWiki is meant to be used as a platform, using > > "safer" defaults is important. > > > > In short: my point of view is that while justify may look nicer in some > > edge > > cases left-aligned text is a much better fit for XWiki. > > > > I'm -0 on this, leaning towards -1 . > > > > 2. definitions (DDs) are not displayed with italics anymore > > > (standard HTML dd are not original italic - this was a toucan thing) > > > > > > > +1 for this one, it will make the defaut ClassSheet look better. > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Guillaume Lerouge > > Product Manager - XWiki SAS > > Skype: wikibc > > Twitter: glerouge > > http://guillaumelerouge.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/ _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
