Hi, I hope a single paragraph from an user could be welcome here... Gregory GUENEAU wrote: > hi sergiu > > > Le 8 nov. 2010 à 10:35, Sergiu Dumitriu a écrit : > > >> On 11/08/2010 01:44 AM, Ludovic Dubost wrote: >> >>> Le 07/11/10 21:24, Sergiu Dumitriu a écrit : >>> >>>> I don't like this, it's intrusive. Personally I wouldn't like at all >>>> being forcefully invited into a conversation. There are other ways of >>>> doing this which don't involve waking up with 30 emails in my inbox, >>>> most of which will be implemented in the 3.x cycle as part of the social >>>> improvements. >>>> >>>> >>> I don't agree with you that the social improvements do anything in this >>> area or maybe I'm missing something. If it's activity streams or other >>> real time features, oin many cases, you can't go all the time to the >>> wiki to check if an important document is evolving, for which the >>> discussion needs to be fast. >>> >>> You might not like it, but this really creates dynamicity when >>> discussing on a wiki document. >>> The lack of such a features leads to discussions staying in email >>> exchanges and therefore no work on the wiki document itself (when it was >>> at all created). >>> Think about a discussion about a feature in the devs mailing list. None >>> of it is captured in the wiki page where the feature is described. >>> Think also about non technical people that need to learn how to work >>> with wikis. >>> >> I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm referring to "send >> notification to this bunch of people EVERY TIME THE PAGE CHANGES". I >> agree about the "send notification", but not about the "every time". I >> also agree with subscribing myself to notifications (a.k.a. "add to MY >> watchlist"). >> > > Then let's talk about what users are waiting for. We present xwiki as an > enterprise wiki that proposes an overall experience to avoid some > disagreement from the existing tools, such as discussion entropy in mails. > BUT it doesn't mean xwiki has to stand alone in the universe, that is why we > introduced the "watch" notification features. > > We also have the invitation manager that covers other needs, but we have a > missing link : invitation to a page, or more basic : "share this page" or > "send this page by mail". > > In my mind, this feature is key to power and dummy users. More, it atuomates > and makes simple the simple act to share a page (usually, we copy the link, > or make a pdf of the page, and then we go in our mail client and create a > mail to ... anybody we want to share this page with), the feature we are > talking about here prevents to do all this manual stuff. > > Therefore this feature should allow the user to send the page with the > methods he prefers (link, html, pdf), to who he wants. the user might also > send with it an invitation (what about merging invitation manager with "share > this page" ?) >
Let's add something here thinking about how our users do work with XWiki. First of all, let me say that I support Ludovic and Vicent ideas about the necessity of having some kind of method to trigger discussion and conduct the flow toward XWiki moving it out of email exchange. I recognize the prevalence of email in ICT landscape nowadays and agree with Sergiu about the fact that subscription must be optional for users once they are aware a given work has been launched. They must be able to choose between the different alternatives XWiki offers to be aware of changes once they get a first warning. I see This "send this page by email" utility like an improvement in this sense. I will add a complement though: one a document is created and the creator will be allowed to select users and/or groups to be warned about this fact, the creator will be allowed to select what users can do what think. I mean, the same utility that allow the creator to select what users will receive the email message, will add trustees to the document. For us here the default condition for newly created documents is giving me some headaches. If the creator is allowed to select what users to warn and the same action adds trustees to the newly created document, will avoid many problems I'm facing here. Thanks for your work! > I would see this feature as a unique action (meaning do not allow to "force" > the "watch" opt'in). > > Result, this feature would be presented both in the page edit bar in "export" > or "more actions", as a "send by mail" action menu. It can be presented also > as an option next to the "save" button : "save this page" opt'in, when > selected it opens the related fields. > > The content should be : > > SEND BY MAIL > > To : > [ ] all contributors > [ ] additionnal users or groups [field] > [ ] additionnal email [field] => we could here include an invitation manager > option ? > > As : > [ ] a link > [ ] html content > [ ] pdf > > Email title : > [ <wiki name>, <space name>, <page name> ] => can be edited > > Email additional message : > [ ] > > => a resume of the message could be added in the page comments, then we loose > nothing > > > > thanks > > gregory > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > -- Ricardo Rodríguez CTO eBioTIC. Life Sciences, Data Modeling and Information Management Systems _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
