Hi Caty and all, On Sep 12, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
> Hi Vincent, > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 16:04, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi devs, >> >> I've just installed a new wiki with someone (an xwiki newbie) and realized >> that we have some usability issues. I'm listing just one below to start >> with. >> >> Usability issue #1: Color theme usage >> >> Story: >> * A user wants to change the logo >> * First he has to know it's done in the Color theme but let's imagine that >> this is fine… (although it's not since Color theme means changing colors, >> not the logo…) >> > > The logo can be changed also from XWiki.DefaultSkin Thanks for reminding me. I wasn't sure if we had dropped the "old" way of doing this. I personally don't like it too much when there are different ways of achieving the same result but this was probably left to preserve backward compatibility. BTW I check the documentation on xwiki.org about changing the logo and: 1) it's not very to find this information IMO 2) I could only find explanations about how to do that using a custom skin and not using a color theme. It's not even mentioned on http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Color+Theme+Application :( I've found that developers usually develop new feature and forget to update the documentation. That's a problem. See below for more comments. >> * He click on "customize" for the Color Theme then realizes that he wants >> his own color theme (for ex because he doesn't want that a future upgrade >> overwrites his theme) >> * He clicks on manager color themes >> * He sees the "create new color theme" and use it. However he finds that >> the new color theme isn't the same as the color theme he wants to use as the >> basis for the new color theme (btw the new color theme should be the default >> color theme IMO and not a different one as it is now). >> * Then he's stuck because the doesn't offer the possibility to copy an >> existing theme >> * Imagine that he understands that he can go a color theme page and click >> the copy action… >> * He goes there clicks copy, he finds that he wants to copy in a new space >> but he cannot (this is fixed in 3.2 I think so cool). He copies in the new >> space. >> * Then he edits the new color theme, finds the way to set the logo >> * He sees a field where he has to enter information and doesn't see how to >> upload his logo. Reading more carefully the text he understand that he has >> to cancel the edit, go to the attachment tab, upload the logo, edit again, >> edit the header again and there he's stuck again because he doesn't remember >> the name of his logo. So he has to do it all again this time copy pasting >> his logo name >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-695 > > >> * Then he saves his modifications >> * .. and realizes that nothing is happening: the displayed theme is still >> the same as before. He hits refresh (because he's a clever guy!) and finds >> it doesn't help >> * Then someone points to him that he has to go back to the admin, click on >> presentation and sets the color theme to use to be his new color theme. >> * So he does this and finds that his new color theme doesn't appear in the >> list but OTOH there are 2 color themes with the same name >> > > There is http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-6743 but it's for Rename action. > > >> * Then someone mentions to him that it's because he hasn't changed the >> title of this copied page... >> >> Ideas for improving this experience: >> * In the Admin>L&F>Presentation screen, next to "customize", add a new >> button "Create new colortheme". >> * In the new color theme page screen, add the possibility to copy from an >> existing theme *AND* that sets the new title! >> > > My main problem regarding Administration components is why it is necessary > to mix them. There are thing that can be done only from the Administration > interface and other that redirects you to other parts, like the Color > Themes, like Search Suggest ( > http://localhost:8080/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/SearchSuggestConfig). > > The question is why are ColorThemes outside the Administration. Some Admins > want only them to be able to customize the way the wiki looks&feels, others > maybe will want in the future to be able to have settings per user (in the > direction we already did with Personal Dashboard). > > I've made a proposal that integrates Color Themes management inside the > Administration > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ColorThemesProposal > > The select is replaced only by "Use this theme" link. This way even if you > have Color Themes that have the same title, the preview will help the user > to find his theme. > > When hovering the items you will get the actions: edit, copy, delete > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ColorThemesProposal/states.png > > You can see the proposal partially in action at > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ColorThemesAdministration Sounds good and a very nice improvement. It does fix a few of the issues. Some remain outstanding. Thanks -Vincent >> * In color theme edit mode, add the capability to select the logo using the >> widget used in the user profile to select/upload images >> * When saving the new color theme, go back automatically to the admin page >> from where the user clicked on "create new colortheme" and set the newly >> created theme as the selected them >> * The user press save and he's done >> >> WDYT? >> >> In addition to all this we should probably rename Color Theme into >> something else to make it more clear that it's not just about colors (or >> move the logo out). Also it's probably not very clear what's the difference >> between color themes and skins. >> > > I've added some hint text, but it can be improved. > > Thanks, > Caty > > >> >> Note: I really did all those steps mentioned above in the story and it was >> a real pain from a newbie user POV. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
