On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi devs, >>>> >>>> Sergiu has started a script to fully automate a release (more to come - >>>> Sergiu will document what it does soon). The only part not automated are >> the >>>> Release Notes. >>>> >>>> IMO we can "automate" it by a process which I propose to be: >>>> >>>> * An issue can only be closed if it's documented on xwiki.org and on >> the >>>> release notes page for the upcoming release. >>>> >>> >>> I`m not very keen of such an approach. This adds paperwork to N people >>> (devs) that have already completed a job >> >> I definitely don't agree here. A dev job is not complete if >> * tests are not written >> * documentation has not been added >> >>> , multiplied by M issues (which can >>> be more than 1 each day) done by each person... instead of just 1 person >>> (release manager) in charge of a task that is repeated once every couple >> of >>> weeks (low frequency). >> >> I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you also suggesting that >> committers should not do code reviews and any of all the other tasks they're >> suppose to do because it takes too much time and would be better done by a >> single individual? I hope not… :) >> >> Side note: You should try to be a release manager to see what it takes >> (although with Sergiu's script it should be much easier now). >> >>> Plus, the N devs have to use 2 tools to close one single bug. >> >> What tools? >> > > 1. Jira > 2. XWiki.org
We have to use a lot more tools than that to close a bug: - an IDE - maven - git - a web browser to do searches on the web - etc I don't see what's the problem of using several tools. >> >>> Why don`t we use Jira's ability to comment on an issue when actually >> closing >>> it? We could then make a script to automatically round up all such >> comments >>> for the release process. At least it would be a single application and it >>> would be no major breaking of the flow. >> >> If what you suggest is automated releases notes, I've been trying to do >> that for about 12 years now and it has never worked to a satisfactory level >> ;) >> >> What you suggest is also not very good IMO because it duplicates work >> effort since the devs will need to document the stuff on xwiki.org anyway. >> > > Please be more clear (preferably with an example) about what you expect for > each developer to document on xwiki.org for each issue closed. For example: * Marius add a new sheet module. This needs to be documented on extensions.xwiki.org as a Module type. * Sergiu added changes to the search so the search extension needs to be reviewed to see if it still matches the changes. * "support for OpenOffice 3.3 as the backend of the office importer". We need to check the doc of the office importer and see if there's any mention of supported version and update it * For ex I updated the component archetype to use the new injection annotation and I modified http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/WritingComponents as a consequence (I also have some backlogs to do, for ex when I added support for JSR330 I haven't modified http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Component+Module, which is bad and I need to catch up now). * etc >>>> * We collectively enforce this by reopening issues if someone doesn't do >>>> the first point, asking him/her to do it >>>> >>> >>> Not sure how things work on Jira, but maybe we could do a very simple >> Jira >>> extension/plugin that does not allow closing an issue without commenting >> on >>> the chosen solution or whatever it is that we would want in the release >>> notes. >> >> I don't see how that would help xwiki.org be more up to date. Remember >> that release notes should point to documentation not duplicate it. >> > > For instance, in > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/ReleaseNotes/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise32M3I > see no link to the list of fixed Jira issues, grouped by issue type. > What > I see there is a "resume" rather than a full, bullet list (maybe with > expandable sections to say 2 words about the stuff done for the particular > issue) of things done. While I agree that the resume is more user friendly > (for users that have the attention span to read full paragraphs), I also > think that we should include (prefferably), or at least link to, the Jira > generated issue list. You can`t have people guess that they have to go to > Jira and make 3-5 clicks to get the list of fixed issues. Yes we need to do both. We absolutely need the user friendly summary and it's good to have the full list too. What I've done in the past (and I've already prepared it for 3.2 final) is a link to a filter in JIRA that shows the full list. My idea is then to use a JIRA macro that takes this filter and displays them on the RN page (although a link might be just enough too). For ex for 3.1 final: http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10990 For 3.2 final: http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10991 We could do this for each release. It's easy to do. Thanks -Vincent > Thanks, > Eduard > > >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> Thanks, >>> Eduard >>> >>>> >>>> This will have some nice effects: >>>> * xwiki.org will be more up to date than it is now >>>> * it's up to the developer to document what they do (I don't think it's >>>> good to push this to someone else) which is good since they have the >> most >>>> knowledge (side note: it doesn't mean we don't need a technical writer >> to >>>> improve on the documentation done by developers but it would be about >> style >>>> and not about content) >>>> * the release notes will be ready for the release, as we progress and >> the >>>> burden of writing the release notes will not fall on the shoulders of >> the >>>> Release Manager (there's no reason it should) >>>> * the whole release process will almost be a joy to do >>>> * with a fully automated release process it means we'll be able to >> perform >>>> a lot more bugfix releases which is good for our users >>>> >>>> Here's my +1 >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
