On 06/06/2012 02:17 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
My opinion on this is that we don't really need it and it's just a new feature 
on top of what we have (i.e. more complexity and higher risk of not being able 
to use a standard component framework when one emerges - for example CDI).

Need what? In this mail I only said that using "default" as a component hint is wrong. So, we don't need to make things right?

Reading the JSR-299 specification, I noticed that using @Named is somewhat deprecated, anyway, and proper typed qualifiers should be used instead. And every implementation automatically gets the @Default qualifier, so every component implementation is actually a valid default instance. We're currently violating the JSR, since an @Inject-ed field without an @Named will be an "Ambiguous dependency", which is a deployment error (section 5.2.1).

So, seeing that we're not using the JSR properly, I'd say that currently it's impossible to use a standard component framework, unless we fix the default component problem...

Also I'm not fond of the ability to create aliases at execution time (ie in the 
ComponentManager implementation). It's better to have it at the level of the 
binding but not as a feature of the ComponentManager. Doing this would ruin any 
ability to use another component framework in the future.

All in all I'm -1 till you prove that this can work at least in the following 
component models (i.e. that those models have this notion or that it can be 
added):
* Guice (will work if you don't put in the ComponentManager impl since Guice 
has static manual binding)

Yes, bindings are explicit anyway in Guice, so we can map implementations any way we want in a custom module. To change the implementation for an unnamed dependency, we just provide a different AbstractModule implementation.

* CDI (I don't know how it could work with it) - CDI is our best bet ATM as our 
future component framework

Simple, whenever a component role has more than one implementation, they should be marked as @Alternative, and the default one is listed in beans.xml. Then changing the default implementation means editing beans.xml.

* OSGi

ResolverHook.

Thanks
-Vincent

On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:

Hi devs.

I gave this subject some thoughts and I agree with Sergiu on the general
issue of using "default" hint as a marker for default implementations.

Jerome

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu<[email protected]>  wrote:

Hi devs,

Hmm, time flies, I realized that it's been a month and a half since I
started this thread, but didn't get to counter-argument so far. Because I
wanted to give more compelling reasons after I wrote the initial draft of
the original proposal, I got slammed with counter arguments centering
mostly on why our current implementation already allows to work around the
technical difficulties that I presented, although those technical
difficulties were just extra arguments that weren't actually that important.

Let's start from scratch.

I believe that using "default" as a component hint is in most cases wrong,
since it doesn't actually say anything about the particular implementation.
Let's take some examples:


EntityReferenceSerializer, with its many implementations:
- "compact", which creates compact representations that don't repeat the
parts that are the same as the current document
- "compactwiki" that only skips the wiki part when not needed
- "path" which creates references usable as a path on the filesystem or in
URLs
- "uid" which creates non-ambiguous representations
- and "default", which does a... default representation... whatever that
means...
So, while the meaning of the other hints can be guessed from their name,
that's not true for "default".


WikiModel, with its only implementation, XWikiWikiModel, labeled as
"default". First, this "default" is defined in xwiki-platform instead of
xwiki-rendering, like the components that actually use that component,
which means that we're defining a component interface without any
implementation in our "standalone rendering engine", and thus we're using
"exceptions as normal decision code" which is wrong. Second, this "default"
actually means "xwiki default". Why can't the hint be "xwiki" instead of
"default", since that what that implementation is actually doing: "this is
the model used in XWiki", and not "this is the default model that most wiki
engines use". When looking up an instance of the WikiModel component, we
don't request "the default wiki model", but "the wiki model currently in
use, whichever that is".


ConfigurationSource and its implementations:
- "space" which looks into space preferences
- "wiki" which looks into wiki preferences
- "user" which looks at user preferences
- "xwikiproperties" which looks in xwiki.properties
- "all" which looks into all the above
- "void" which is always empty
- "memory" which stores settings explicitly set by code
- and "default" which does... stuff... let me get back at you after I look
into its code to check what it actually does.


XHTMLLinkTypeRenderer is an example where "default" does make sense, since
we have special treatment for "doc"ument, "attach"ment, "mailto", "unc",
"interwiki", and then there's a "default" that handles all the others, like
"url" and "path".


I was writing a component called UploadedFileManager, which is supposed to
parse uploaded files from a request, and the implementation for it was
called CommonsFileUploadManager, since it used the Apache
commons-fileupload library for the actual request parsing. I don't think
that calling it "default" is appropriate, since in the 3.0 servlet
specification the upload behavior is embedded in the specification, in the
ServletRequest interface, and that seems more "default" than using a
particular library to do the job. A more appropriate hint is "commons",
since that's what it actually does: "this implementation handles file
uploads by using the apache commons library that does that", and not "this
implementation handles file upload in the default way, which everyone
should know what it actually is".


So, I strongly feel that what the component manager returns when looking
up a component without a hint shouldn't be the implementation labeled
"default", but one of the existing implementations, as configured somehow.


I'm not yet sure how that configuration takes place, that would be the
subject of another discussion, but I'd like to get a consensus on whether
we need this change or not.

--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
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