Indeed, i forgot that in http/basic auth, user/pass are provided by browser on each and every request made to server. This solves my problem on finding the user / pass and i don't have to keep it in memory.
Since i can use container based security + jboss basic auth, i suppose this solves my issue without requiring complex trust services. Will give it some tries. Thank you. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Jerome Velociter" <[email protected]> À: "XWiki Developers" <[email protected]> Envoyé: Mercredi 20 Juin 2012 10:33:58 Objet: Re: [xwiki-devs] Access password of current user On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM, David Delbecq <[email protected]>wrote: > > Hello all, > > if someone has access to restricted xwiki area (escalation or any other > way), this someone could just create a javascript wiki page using > skinextension, that will grab password from login form and send it anywhere > in the wiki for later retrieval. So i don't feel like i create any security > hole there. > If a user has access to the server, he could just feed it with it's own > XwikiAuthService or LDAP server that record password before forwarding to > real ldap server. > For me none of this arguments legitimize storing passwords in clear. > > Our company has no kerberos, ntlm, etc server running, so i can't easily > use such solution. Removing password for authentication on background > service is no option either, as wiki will be a portal to those services, > but some operation still need user to navigate to those services. For > example, a webdav service: listing in xwiki page of a folder content should > be done using xwiki current user's priviledges (xwiki is the http client), > but when user want to retrieve a specific file or want to mount the webdav > service on his workstation, he access the webdav service directly. > > Using "unsecure" password is no option either, all users in the company > are supposed to use same password for all services (ldap central > authentication). > > > > Keep in mind, the only things i have write access to is a few jboss > servers, their configuration, and the webapp running on them. All > applications (except unfortunately xwiki) use container based > authentication. I already replied to say XWiki supports container based authentication throught the AppServerTrusted authenticator. What's missing ? If someone has doc on how to forward credentials from one webapp to another > over http(s), i'll be glad to prefer it If you use container based authentication, I imagine you should be able to copy over the authorization header from the originating request to the one you create in your HTTP client (since I understand you are making HTTP calls to the tiers apps). Jerome > , but the only documentions on jboss/sso i have found so far assume all > request come from browser! Kerberos or similar service, while a good > solution as supported by jboss (but "experimental" in xwiki), afaik, > requires to add additionnal schemas to ldap so tickets can be stored. And i > know from experience that if i request such service installed and > configured on our central server, i am not sure to get them before next > year. > > > I understand your concerns, i do not like the idea of storing password in > memory. But i see no viable solution for now to have our xwiki be a portal > to various services on behalf of it's current user. > > Thank you > David Delbecq > ----- Mail original ----- > > De: "Jerome Velociter" <[email protected]> > À: "XWiki Developers" <[email protected]> > Envoyé: Mardi 19 Juin 2012 15:16:54 > Objet: Re: [xwiki-devs] Access password of current user > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM, David Delbecq <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > unfortunately, we don't have any explicit sso service currently running. > > In the past, we simply asked the container (tomcat) to manage > > authentication of users for all our webapplication and we followed tomcat > > directions on how to share principal for all applications ( > > > http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/config/valve.html#Single_Sign_On_Valve > > ). > > This works well when all application use container authentication and the > > only client is the user's web browser. Unfortunately, things will change > as > > we will base our intranet on xwiki instead of having separate spread > > applications the user needs to connect to. This mean the web server (now > > jboss) will be the http client of all other services, and thus realm > based > > sso won't work. For some of those service we use generic technical > account, > > so no problem, we just store the password. But for some other, we must > > transmit the user / password of current xwiki user so xwiki is seen by > this > > service as this user. > > > > And none of those behind the scene applications were ever configured to > > use kerberos or anything alike. Moreover, i would like to avoid the > > nightmare of maintaining such a service when simply forwaring user / pass > > to next service would solve my problems :) > > > > Storing plain-text user password is never a good idea, be it on the > database, filesystem or in memory. > > If you store passwords in the session, some XWiki applications could read > them, someone in your organization with programming access level can access > them, a hacker that escalate to have access to the machine or to > programming rights in the application can read them, etc. > > Jerome > > > > > > > Regards, > > David Delbecq > > > > ----- Mail original ----- > > > > De: "Guillaume Lerouge" <[email protected]> > > À: "XWiki Developers" <[email protected]> > > Envoyé: Mardi 19 Juin 2012 14:40:16 > > Objet: Re: [xwiki-devs] Access password of current user > > > > Hi David, > > > > which SSO service dou you use internally? XWiki authenticators already > > exist for CAS, Kerberos and NTLM, maybe you could draw inspiration from > > them. > > > > Guillaume > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:54 PM, David Delbecq <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I was hoping that somehow, when submitted via the form, password gets > > > recorded until the end of the session. We can't afford, for the sake of > > > user experience, to ask password every time user need to access a > hidden > > > system he is not even supposed to know is separate from the wiki. > That's > > > why we are writing some macro / components so that it's xwiki that > access > > > those system for him. This include various webservices, a documents > > storage > > > and so on. We try to keep a single sign on policy. Of course, i don't > > want > > > user password stored anywhere on disks, but keeping it in user session > > > seems a good trade-of for me. > > > > > > I plan thus to create my onw xwikiauthservice that delegates to ldap > > > service and store this in user session. > > > > > > > > > ----- Mail original ----- > > > > > > De: "Jerome Velociter" <[email protected]> > > > À: "XWiki Developers" <[email protected]> > > > Envoyé: Mardi 19 Juin 2012 11:53:42 > > > Objet: Re: [xwiki-devs] Access password of current user > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Fortunately, you can't. You can only access/verify a hashed version of > > > the password. > > > > > > Note that asking for a password again is not necessarily a bad UX, > > > especially if it is to allow access to a sensitive area/operation. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Jerome. > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:39 AM, David Delbecq < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > i am writing a component that need a password. Because this password > > > will be the same for current user as the one he used to log-in, it > would > > > make for crappy interface ot ask it again to user. So i need to know > how > > my > > > component or a groovy script can access the username / password of > > current > > > logged-in user. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > David Delbecq > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jérôme Velociter > > > Winesquare > > > http://www.winesquare.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Jérôme Velociter > Winesquare > http://www.winesquare.net/ > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Jérôme Velociter Winesquare http://www.winesquare.net/ _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
