Hi, On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: > > > >> Hi Caty, > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in > >>>> editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you > wiki" > >>>> gadget) from the homepage. > >>>> There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that > particular > >>>> gadget and that make the job especially harder for beginners. > >>>> > >>>> One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome > >>> content > >>>> is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the gadget > that > >>>> would let the user navigate to the included page or without some > >>>> auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in > >>>> understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what > actions > >>>> they need to do in order to edit that content. > >>>> Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can be > >>> scary > >>>> and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.). > >>>> > >>>> My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be > >>> very-very > >>>> simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's > content. > >>>> Its only purpose will be to let users add textual information inside a > >>>> dashboard. > >>>> > >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMessage#HProposal > >>> > >> > >> I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday > :-) > >> > >> > >>>> Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity > content, > >>>> code in general, boxes, success messages, etc. but no way to put just > a > >>>> simple text inside the dashboard. > >>> > >>> Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget > >>> and instead type directly the content in wysiwyg mode. > >>> > >>> I don't think we should have a "text" macro though. > >>> > >> > >> It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest > overhead. > >> Caty, you could even offer it right away as an extension on > >> extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We could > >> call it "gadget text" if that makes you feel better. > >> > >> One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget > dialog > >>> box that allows to specify the title and for the content it should > display > >>> the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to insert macros like for any > content. > >>> > >> > >> This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going > to > >> take ages, with nobody assigned to it right now. Caty's solution is both > >> faster and simpler. > >> > >> I'm +1! > > > > IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic): > > 1) Agree about where we want to go > > 2) Decide how to get there > > 3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1) > would take too long and the feature/issue is needed quickly > > > > What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because: > > * you may be making incompatible choices > > * it's very very difficult to remove something > > * 1) might not be that hard > > > > Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users is > going to look for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard. > > > > IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it > unnecessarily complex for the user. > > > > If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the > same ability as he already knows about to add content it'll be much more > effective. > > > > > It shouldn't be complex since we already have all the pieces. Since I've > not been close to this code I'm curious to get feedback from Anca and > Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it. > > Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not > to create one. And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from a list. I'm > not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when > clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will > probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget' > is a macro? Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special one whose > content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best > solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this > special gadget might require some hacks. > At first it could be a simple text field, without WYSIWYG. It would already be much better than the current implementation. Guillaume Thanks, > Marius > > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
