On 03/25/2013 10:18 AM, Vincent Massol wrote: > > On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> The reasoning for this is because I have seen a number of users running >> in to problems with the lack of dropdown menu, giving instructions for fixing >> a problem is harder when they always begin with "edit the page then append >> ?editor=wiki to the URL". >> I think showing the menu of editors is not too overwhelming for new users >> whereas showing them internal documents is. >> >> This will also pave the way for more experimental editors such as realtime. >> >> WDYT? > > Some thoughts: > > * I've not seen many users who want to edit with the wiki editor. The > overwhelming majority of users of a wiki (especially in a business context > and XWiki is an enterprise wiki) just want to use the WYSIWYG editor > * The WYSIWYG editor already has a Source tab to see wiki content > * The admin can choose what editor is the default editor for his wiki > * The use case I've seen more often is simple users who are trying to learn > to become advanced users by following a tutorial where it says to select > "edit>objects" and they don't have that menu entry because our documentation > and UI doesn't explain the 2 concepts of simple and advanced user. > * We want to go in the direction of simplicity and what we've been trying to > do is removing stuff from the UI rather than add more. IMO what's missing > here is to find a way to explain this notion of Simple vs Advanced user or > more generally drive the user towards his profile page where he can choose > between a set of options: > ** List what editors we can see with checkboxes > ** Checkbox to decide whether he sees technical documents or not > ** etc > * I'd personally like to have a shortcut for these options in the User menu > at top right so that they can be toggled with one click without navigating to > another page > * Someone needs to start implementing extension points for menu entries (but > that's orthogonal to this discussion even though it's related) > > So as a conclusion for me the UI should as uncluttered as possible when you > start but with features being discoverable as you progress. > > Thus I wouldn't like that for all users they see all possible editors when > they start (wysiwyg, wiki, realtime, class, object, rights, etc).
I agree with Vincent, I'm leaning towards a -1 on this. Maybe we should automatically make users with admin rights as Advanced users. Right now only superadmin and guests with admin rights (which I guess isn't possible anymore with the new rights) get the Advanced flag automatically. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
