Hi , On 28 Jan 2014 at 16:27:44, Arvind Gupta ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> Vincent > I agree on Flamingo. I will fetch up JIRA issues start documenting it. I will > also like to add few tutorial on customising Xwiki. I think it's good to move > on with SASS or Less as Caty mentioned in another thread. I have an > observation about Velocity. We used velocity as that time it was best > available approach. Now front-end matters a lot, If a front guy think that he > also have to get acquainted with Velocity also it may discourage him. > > Is there any other approach we should consider? I know it will be a lot of > work shouldn't we think replacing Velocity with CSS/Javascript based layout? Note that Velocity is not front end but back end (it’s executed on the server) and thus doesn’t compete with Javascript per see. Also, note that in the mail below there a full domain about: “ * The way users develop applications in XWiki hasn’t changed much over the past 10 years. Since then there’s been an explosion in the area of JS frameworks. We want to make it super easy to develop modern applications using XWiki (read ajaxy applications with new dev models). Marius agreed to lead this investigation along with the help of Guillaume Delhumeau. Since it’s an important aspect of XWiki and a complex one, they’ll need to drive various discussions and brainstorming with everyone and make some proposals so that we all agree to the directions we wish to go towards and so that we can start implementing it in 6.1. “ This could be discussed during this investigation. Now if you wish to elaborate or if you have some specific proposal to make, you could start a new email thread with your proposal and we would discuss it there. Thanks -Vincent > -arvind > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM, > [email protected](mailto:[email protected]) wrote: > > Hi Arvind, > > > > On 28 Jan 2014 at 12:25:15, Arvind Gupta > > ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])(mailto:[email protected])) > > wrote: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > Are there any other options to CKeditor? > > > > AFAIK this is the strongest one to evaluate. Is there a better one you have > > in mind? Note that in the past xwiki was using TinyMCE but we weren’t very > > successful (could have been caused by our wrong usage of it though). > > > > > I would like contribute with documentation of new features. > > > > Great! Here are some JIRA about missing documentation items: > > http://bit.ly/M96bin > > > > If you’re interested in documenting something else please send us a mail on > > the users list for example detailing what you wish to do so that others > > know about it and we could give you some directions/help. > > > > > Should be consider to have new xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) design along > > > with new UI? > > > > As Caty mentioned, the xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) design has already been > > modified not that long ago. My take is that if we agree to develop Flamingo > > then it would be a good idea to update xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) with it. > > > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > > > -arvind > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM, > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected]) wrote: > > > > > > > Of course this is only the work planned by the committers I mentioned. > > > > > > > > For the other committers, feel free to add stuff you’d like to work on > > > > in > > > > 6.0 so that we can add it to our global roadmap. > > > > > > > > Note: I’ll put all this on > > > > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome in a few days if > > > > people agree about it. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > On 28 Jan 2014 at 11:17:29, > > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected]) > > > > ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > XWiki 6.0 > > > > ======== > > > > > > > > As usual here’s a proposal resulting from discussions I’ve had with > > > > XWiki > > > > committers who work at XWiki SAS for 6.0. > > > > > > > > * Collaborative Applications (Meeting, Calendar, (new) Forum, Tasks, > > > > Doodle, Photo) - Caty to work on usability and design (she’s started > > > > already at http://design.xwiki.org if you wish to follow the work). > > > > Andrea who’s a contributor is helping on the test + implementation part. > > > > There might be another contributor joining too. This work is currently > > > > done > > > > inside xwiki-contrib. > > > > > > > > * New skin! Caty for the design and Guillaume Delhumeau for the > > > > implementation part. We’ve been dreaming about this skin for a while. > > > > Caty > > > > has whet our appetite with screenshots from Junco ( > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/JuncoSkin and > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Junco+Skin) and > > > > from > > > > Flamingo (http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x). > > > > The idea is to establish new strong foundations for new skins (like > > > > standardizing on bootstrap classes for example) + have a new L&F. Caty > > > > and > > > > Guillaume will make proposals on the list about this. > > > > > > > > * At last we agreed to work on identifying performances issues > > > > (especially > > > > page load times) and work to fix them! Thomas is in charge of leading > > > > this > > > > extra important domain. One idea is to establish some automated tests to > > > > measure current performances and get a baseline so that we can then > > > > monitor > > > > our progress and start fixing things (and ensure we keep getting better > > > > all > > > > the time in the future). Thomas will send some proposals on the list > > > > too on > > > > this to let us know how he plans to tackle performance improvements. > > > > > > > > * Of course we need to keep some time to fix any remaining issues we get > > > > on the major feature we developed in 5.x + some improvements. I’m > > > > thinking > > > > about our SOLR search, Multiwiki integration, EM/DW, scalable > > > > import/export, etc. Thomas needs to finish the scalable import feature > > > > which is already well under way (see below). > > > > > > > > * Marius agreed to lead an investigation on CKEditor to see if it would > > > > make sense for us to use it as a replacement of our homemade editor. The > > > > general issue is that maintaining a WYSIWYG editor takes time and this > > > > is > > > > not really our core business at xwiki. We have 2 choices basically: have > > > > someone constantly working on improving our WYSIWYG editor or integrate > > > > an > > > > existing one so that we can benefit from the work of others. In the past > > > > few years we haven’t added that many features to our editor so it’s time > > > > to evaluate the feasibility and cost of using an external editor such as > > > > CKEditor. > > > > > > > > * The way users develop applications in XWiki hasn’t changed much over > > > > the > > > > past 10 years. Since then there’s been an explosion in the area of JS > > > > frameworks. We want to make it super easy to develop modern applications > > > > using XWiki (read ajaxy applications with new dev models). Marius > > > > agreed to > > > > lead this investigation along with the help of Guillaume Delhumeau. > > > > Since > > > > it’s an important aspect of XWiki and a complex one, they’ll need to > > > > drive > > > > various discussions and brainstorming with everyone and make some > > > > proposals > > > > so that we all agree to the directions we wish to go towards and so > > > > that we > > > > can start implementing it in 6.1. > > > > > > > > * Denis is going to continue working on Script signing as way to replace > > > > the existing Programming Rights which has shown its limitations. Denis > > > > has > > > > committed a new Crypto API in 5.x which is a strong base for the script > > > > signing implementation. > > > > > > > > In addition, during those discussions some raised a list of JIRA they > > > > consider important and that would be interesting to tackle if we get the > > > > time: > > > > > > > > - Support 2 roles for users for app within minutes: application creator > > > > and data creator - XWIKI-8757 > > > > - xwiki.cfg & xwiki.properties merging > > > > - Add default column and sort choices in AppWithinMinutes livetable > > > > setting - XWIKI-9659 > > > > - Save & view a section should go to the section anchor instead of the > > > > top > > > > of the document - XE-1335 > > > > - Add a message for the Livetable's empty state - XWIKI-7821 > > > > - "Space Templates" should also create the space preferences page - > > > > XWIKI-9712 > > > > - The Wiki UIExtensions should check the rights before executing > > > > extension > > > > points - XWIKI-9156 > > > > - Add an explanation next to the fields in user profile - XWIKI-6307 > > > > - When creating a new sub-wiki, pages are listed with guest - XWIKI-9888 > > > > - Cannot remove all panels using the Panel Wizard for space preferences > > > > - > > > > XWIKI-9891 > > > > > > > > Please comment if anyone sees a concern or if I have forgotten > > > > something! > > > > > > > > XWiki 5.4.1 > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > In addition we identified the need for a 5.4.1 release to: > > > > - finish important issues for the 5.x cycle and any leftover from 5.4. > > > > Our > > > > idea is to have usable and stable implementation for the bug items we > > > > worked on in 5.x: SOLR search, multiwiki integration, EM/DW and scalable > > > > export (scalable import has been pushed to 6.0 since we considered it > > > > too > > > > dangerous to plug by default in the default import UI in 5.x). > > > > - implement support for IE11 (there are only a few issues open). Marius > > > > agreed to work on the IE11 fixes. The reason we wish to implement this > > > > support is because we’re seeing more and more users reporting issues and > > > > asking for this support. ATM we support IE till IE9 only. IE10&11 are > > > > currently not officially supported at > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy It > > > > would be nice that after 5.4.1 we could edit this doc and mark them > > > > supported! > > > > > > > > Dates > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > I’m proposing the date of 17 of Feb for the final release of 5.4.1, > > > > assuming 5.4 is released on the 3rd of Feb as currently planned (i.e. 2 > > > > weeks after the release of 5.4). > > > > > > > > For 6.0: > > > > - 5.0M1: 10th of March 2014 (ie 3 weeks) > > > > - 5.0M2: 31st of March 2014 (ie 3 weeks) > > > > - 5.0RC1: 14th of April 2014 (ie 2 weeks) > > > > - 5.0Final: 28th of April 2014 (ie 2 weeks) > > > > > > > > TOTAL: 10 weeks, ie 2.5 months. > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -Vincent > > > > > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
