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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] New Link and Image syntax for XWiki Syntax 2.2 To: "Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)" <[email protected]> On 20 Oct 2014 at 11:54:26, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected] (mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > Anyway, I think is less needed to want to have a custom label when you are referring an user. I wouldn't want to be forced to duplicate the user's name, but instead just use his username and the display would fill all the data (last name, first name, maybe avatar). Labels are always optional so no worries here... > Can we have something like: [[~user='evalica']]? This is not going to work as "~" is our escape character ;) > or [[user:xwiki:XWiki.evalica]] even better would be [[user:incubator:evalica]] (to cover the local users). This is what's already in all proposals since all the proposal are of the form "user<separator><reference to the user>". > Maybe [[@user=evalica]] This would be Solution 14: * [[label>>wiki:space.page]] * [[label>>@doc=wiki:space.page]] * [[label>>@path=/some/path]] * [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] * [[label>>@url=http://xwiki.org]] * [[label>>@user=evalica]] * [[image:wiki:[email protected]]] * [[image:@doc=wiki:[email protected]]] * [[image:@icon=someicon.png]] So we would recognize a Resource Type by the fact that it's enclosed between "@" on the left and "=" on the right. > or [[@evalica]]. Could be possible, it would mean: - delegate the parsing of the full link reference to each Resource Type Parser so that they have a new method to decide if they can handle the reference or not. If not, then it goes to the next Resource Type parser. Ideally we would need to define an order too. - no doc starting with '@' or should be escaped with '~@' - the other Resource Types cannot start with "@" - important performance hit since each full link reference would need to be passed to all Resource Type parsers (and each one would reparse it) before fallbacking to a doc reference or a URL. > I hope I don't digress to much, my intention is to give you ideas :) Thanks -Vincent > > Thanks, > Caty > > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM, [email protected](mailto: [email protected]) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 20 Oct 2014 at 11:27:03, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected] (mailto:[email protected])(mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:36 PM, [email protected](mailto: [email protected]) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I’ve read again both threads. Not an easy decision... > > > > > > > > Some thoughts: > > > > > > > > * I don't like any of the proposed solutions so far because they all make > > > > it harder to create links than what user already do in XWiki Syntax 2.0 or > > > > 2.1 > > > > * Solution 2 (forcing using the "doc" prefix when creating links to > > > > subwikis) is the solution that gathered the most votes. However when I > > > > think about solution 2 I think about xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) and all the links I create > > > > every week from one wiki to another and I can't refrain from thinking that > > > > it's going to make more complex to create them. > > > > * I can understand why some didn't like my proposal to have a shortcut > > > > syntax for links and a canonical one for typed references. Basically it's > > > > too complex for users. > > > > > > > > In order to be complete, there's another possibility which is to change > > > > the delimiter for wikis or for reference types. Obviously it wouldn't be > > > > possible to change the delimiter for wikis (i.e. the ":" in > > > > "wiki:space.page") so remains the option to change the delimiter for > > > > reference types. > > > > > > > > Here are some ideas for exploring this direction: > > > > > > > > Solution 10 > > > > =========== > > > > > > > > * [[label>>wiki:space.page]] > > > > * [[label>>doc::wiki:space.page]] > > > > * [[label>>path::/some/path]] > > > > * [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] > > > > * [[label>>url::http://xwiki.org]] > > > > * [[label>>user::evalica]] > > > > * [[image:wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > * [[image:doc::wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > * [[image:icon::someicon.png]] > > > > > > > > PROs: > > > > * Syntax remains the shorter possible for links to docs and URLs > > > > * Adding a new reference type doesn't break existing links/images > > > > > > > > CONs: > > > > * When using typed links/images, it's bit longer to type ("::" instead of > > > > ":") > > > > * Small change of syntax for users but the majority of users use the > > > > shorthand notation > > > > * Still a URI! (even if a weird one) > > > > * Force to escape the ":" (with "~:") for spaces or documents starting > > > > with ":" > > > > > > > > Solution 11 > > > > =========== > > > > > > > > Using URL-like notation: > > > > > > > > * [[label>>wiki:space.page]] > > > > * [[label>>doc://wiki:space.page]] > > > > * [[label>>path:///some/path]] > > > > * [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] > > > > * [[label>>https://xwiki.org]] > > > > * [[label>>url://http://xwiki.org]] > > > > * [[label>>user://evalica]] > > > > * [[image:wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > * [[image:doc://wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > * [[image:icon://someicon.png]] > > > > > > > > Compared to solution 10: > > > > > > > > PROs: > > > > * Uses a notation closer to a URL (could be a CONs too!) > > > > > > > > CONs: > > > > * One more character to type "://" vs "::" > > > > * A bit strange when linking to URLs using the typed syntax ("url:// > > > > http://xwiki.org";) > > > > * Need to use the typed syntax for URLs other than "http" and "https" > > > > (e.g. for specific URL schemes, like "ftp": "url://ftp://192.168.0.1 ") > > > > > > > > Solution 12 > > > > =========== > > > > > > > > Then there are other possible notations such as: > > > > > > > > * [[label>>wiki:space.page]] > > > > * [[label>>doc#wiki:space.page]] > > > > * [[label>>path#/some/path]] > > > > * [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] > > > > * [[label>>url#http://xwiki.org]] > > > > * [[label>>user#evalica]] > > > > * [[image:wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > * [[image:doc#wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > * [[image:icon#someicon.png]] > > > > > > > > Solution 13 > > > > =========== > > > > > > > > Or: > > > > > > > > * [[label>>wiki:space.page]] > > > > * [[label>>doc=wiki:space.page]] > > > > * [[label>>path=/some/path]] > > > > * [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] > > > > * [[label>>url=http://xwiki.org]] > > > > * [[label>>user=evalica]] > > > > * [[image:wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > * [[image:doc=wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > * [[image:icon=someicon.png]] > > > > > > > > > > I like this solution the most. It looks like a parameter. > > > > Yes this is why I suggested it. It looks "natural". However this is also why I don't like that much, it's too magical, because it's not a parameter and thus it's misleading! It's a reference... > > > > > Can I put > > > something (single quotes, double quotes) like [[label>>user='evalica']]? > > > > No, you cannot, it's a refefence… > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I'm still hesitating but seen that the majority of use cases > > > > are for links to documents, I think I'd like a solution that doesn't change > > > > the shorthand syntax for linking to documents. > > > > > > > > So I'm still ok with Solution A (i.e. don't do anything) and baring that, > > > > solution 10 also seems acceptable to me, seen that we don't use the typed > > > > syntax that often so simple users won't see their habits changed. > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 Apr 2013 at 11:02:46, Vincent Massol ([email protected] (mailto:[email protected])(mailto: > > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected]))) wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > > > Following this thread http://markmail.org/thread/vw3derowozijqalr it > > > > seems clear that we need to introduce a better syntax for links and images > > > > in XWiki Syntax 2.2 (in order to cope with use cases such as > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XRENDERING-290). > > > > > > > > > > The need is to be able to plug new reference type handlers without > > > > breaking backward compatibility in XWiki Syntax 2.2 (since right now with > > > > XWiki Syntax 2.0 and 2.1 adding a new type reference handler would break > > > > backward compatibility). > > > > > > > > > > So here are various proposals to that effect for XWiki Syntax 2.2 (I've > > > > only kept the interesting proposals from the previous thread). Please vote > > > > for the one you prefer or add new solutions if you have other better ideas. > > > > > > > > > > Proposal 1 > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > Force XWiki Syntax 2.2 to *ALWAYS* use the full form when creating a > > > > link or image, i.e. all links would need to be written: > > > > [[label>>type:reference]] > > > > > > > > > > Examples: > > > > > * [[label>>doc:space.page]] > > > > > * [[label>>doc:wiki:space.page]] > > > > > * [[label>>path:/some/path]] > > > > > * [[label>>url:http://xwiki.org]] > > > > > * [[label>>user:evalica]] > > > > > * [[image:doc:wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > > * [[image:icon:someicon.png]] > > > > > > > > > > CONS: > > > > > * Harder to write links to documents which is the main use case > > > > > > > > > > Proposal 2 > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > Same as with XWiki Syntax 2.1 but for links or images to subwikis force > > > > the user to use the "doc:" notation > > > > > > > > > > Examples: > > > > > * [[label>>space.page]] or [[label>>doc:space.page]] > > > > > * [[label>>doc:wiki:space.page]] > > > > > * [[label>>>path:/some/path]] > > > > > * [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] or [[label>>>url:http://xwiki.org]] > > > > > * [[label>>user:evalica]] > > > > > * [[image:doc:wiki:[email protected]]] > > > > > * [[image:icon:someicon.png]] > > > > > > > > > > PRO: > > > > > * Still easy to reference docs and images in the current wiki > > > > > * Close to current XWiki Syntax 2.1 > > > > > > > > > > CONS: > > > > > * Harder to write links to documents in subwikis (for workspaces users > > > > for example, see example of xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org)) > > > > > > > > > > Proposal 3 > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > Always define the type as a link or image parameter, i.e. separate > > > > subwiki notation from type. > > > > > > > > > > Examples: > > > > > * [[label>>space.page]] or [[label>>space.page||type="doc"]] > > > > > * [[label>>wiki:space.page]] or [[label>>wiki:space.page||type="doc"]] > > > > > * [[label>>>/some/path||type="path"]] > > > > > * [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] or [[label>>>http://xwiki.org > > > > ||type="url"]] > > > > > * [[label>>evalica||type="user"]] > > > > > * [[image:wiki:[email protected]]] or > > > > [[image:wiki:[email protected]||type="doc"]] > > > > > * [[image:someicon.png||type="icon"]] > > > > > > > > > > PRO: > > > > > * Still easy to reference docs > > > > > * Clear separation between subwiki and types > > > > > > > > > > CONS: > > > > > * Harder to write typed links > > > > > * Harder to write references in non xwiki/2.x syntax that would not > > > > support link parameters > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected]) > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected]) > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
