Hi,

On 26 May 2015 at 10:53:44, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) 
([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:

> Another thing to consider: if we alter the global menu, than we will need a
> new skin IMO. I'm not saying that should be Macaw, but maybe another
> version of Flamingo.
>  
> We would need to modify some than a couple of templates. We already changed
> the menus behavior in Flamingo like 2 times (with the 'Add' button, then
> with the 'Go to' functionality). Where do we consider the changes are vast
> enough in order to need another skin?

I don’t agree that it would need a new skin. I’d much prefer that we make the 
menu elements configurable within a skin. We need that anyway.

On a technical level it could mean that top level menu and breadcrumb locations 
would be UIX.

Thanks
-Vincent

> Thanks,
> Caty
>  
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>  
> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > The iteration follows two ideas:
> > A. combine the global menu functionality with breadcrumbs (this was again
> > suggested by you when we proposed Macaw skin);
> > B. use trees inside the breadcrumb;
> >
> > I've iterated on A) in order to demonstrate how it will look like, what
> > problems/confusions might appear.
> > My conclusion is that combining the 2 functionalities will increase
> > complexity and cause either harder navigation or confusion (depending if we
> > display or not the entity icons). The solution could be to keep the
> > breadcrumb for navigation, while transferring the global-menu actions
> > inside the content-menu (but this ideally needs to be adaptive - which is
> > again not that straightforward to implement) + Drawer.
> >
> > I've iterated also on B). The usage of tree depends on how many entries we
> > plan to display in the breadcrumb (3, 5+, etc.) in order to provide added
> > value by tree usage. This direction could have further iterations if we
> > want to go this way, like:
> > - provide also actions inside the Tree displayer (still actions needs to
> > be limited + plus think about mobile usage);
> > - have a common activator (we could use the Home icon) or localized tree
> > activator (the mockup displays a localized activator on '...');
> > - other?
> >
> > Some questions that appeared during this iteration:
> > - what do we do with the parent/child backwards compatibility?
> > - when we have nested spaces, we display the space or the space.webhome?
> > the type of the entry is a space or the page?
> > - how important is to limit the breadcrumb display? usually how many
> > entries we have in a breadcrumb? Should we default for more than 7 entries
> > or keep 3 like we currently have?
> > - how important is to provide fast access for Watch or Delete space
> > actions? or other actions inside the global-menu? Administration and
> > Indexes could be displayed in the Drawer, Watch+Delete inside the
> > content-menu (
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/MacawSkin#HGlobalMenu)
> >
> > Compared to other proposals (when the 'final' solution was presented),
> > here it was mostly an iteration, exploring possible approaches and
> > requesting feedback or other ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:02 AM, [email protected]  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Caty,
> >>
> >> On 22 May 2015 at 17:39:58, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected]
> >> (mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > This is an iteration for:
> >> > Extended-Breadcrumb's purpose is to provide a solution to *combine* the
> >> > global-menu functionality with the current breadcrumb functionality,
> >> while
> >> > supporting *nested spaces* concept and being backwards compatible with
> >> > *parent/child* relationship.
> >> >
> >> > Proposal:
> >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ExtendedBreadcrumb
> >>
> >> It’s cool that you started working on this! :)
> >>
> >> However I don’t understand the conclusion. You say:
> >> “The recommendation is to keep separate the navigation (breadcrumb) from
> >> entity type actions (menus).“
> >>
> >> However the 3 screenshots don’t reflect that since the entity type action
> >> have disappeared!
> >>
> >> Could you explain what’s your proposal for the entity type action menu
> >> and how you implement nested spaces in it?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -Vincent
> >>
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Caty
> >>
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