On 11 Feb 2016 at 19:11:43, Thomas Mortagne
([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > On 11 Feb 2016 at 18:33:57, Thomas Mortagne
> > ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:10 PM, [email protected]
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi devs,
> >> >>
> >> >> Now that we’ve voted on the "XWiki Core” concept and that we’ve agreed
> >> >> that the xwiki organization on github should focused on offering core
> >> >> extensions only (and the rest should be moved to contrib) we need to
> >> >> ensure
> >> >> that we use the same terminology everywhere.
> >> >>
> >> >> I’d like to start updating xwiki.org accordingly but first I want to be
> >> >> sure we agree on the terminology:
> >> >>
> >> >> * The "XWiki Runtime”: the XWiki WAR that you get from the various
> >> >> distributions that you can find on xwiki.org. It’s a minimalistic
> >> >> runtime
> >> >> on top of which you can install Extensions. Documentation for it will be
> >> >> available at http://platform.xwiki.org.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > The doc for "XWiki Runtime" is available on platform.xwiki.org (not on
> >> > runtime.xwiki.org).... sounds a bit weird to me. Maybe we should create
> >> > an
> >> > alias for runtime, just in case?
> >> >
> >> > Also, the runtime is the result/artefact of building the platform, right?
> >> > It`s what you actually get to install, as a user.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I think I would prefer "XWiki Distribution" since that's what it is
> >> after all: some distribution of XWiki and the only one we support.
> >> That's also the naming I started to use on
> >> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/tree/feature-platformdistribution/xwiki-platform-distribution
> >> and I don't want to rename all that :).
> >
> > For me, the XWiki distributions is a different concept. There are various
> > distributions: WAR, ZIP, debian, EXE, etc.
> >
> > The XWiki Runtime is always included in the various distribution. However
> > the distributions can include other files (for example HSQLDB and Jetty for
> > the ZIP distribution).
> >
> > A distribution, as the name implies, is how you distribute something. It
> > doesn’t represent the runtime (which is included in the various
> > distributions, along with other things).
> >
>
> For me "distribution" has the same meaning than in Linux world: a
> arbitrary choice of stuff put together to make a produce you can use.
> It's also the meaning it has in the Distribution Wizard which is to
> setup the distribution you installed. WAR, ZIP, DEB, etc. are just
> packages of this distribution.
So we have 2 options:
* Option A:
** The "XWiki Runtime"
** "XWiki Distributions": the way the XWiki Runtime is distributed: zip
distribution, debian distribution, exe distribution, etc
** XWiki 7.4.1 <==> XWiki Runtime 7.4.1
* Option B:
** The "XWiki Distribution”
** "XWiki Packagings": the zip packaging, the debian packaging, the exe
packaging, etc
** XWiki 7.4.1 <==> XWiki Distribution 7.4.1
It’s probably because I’m not in the linux world but option A seems less
ambiguous to me. I hope that in option B when you say to someone “download the
xwiki distribution” that it’s understandable that it means they choose the
packaging they want and that they do not answer “which distribution?” (since
there’s only one, they shouldn’t ask this! ;)).
I’ll go with whatever the majority chooses.
Thanks
-Vincent
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> >> >> * “XWiki Core”: Represents the set of XWiki APIs/sources making up the
> >> >> "XWiki Platform”.
> >> >>
> >> > The sources are available in github in the xwiki-commons, xwiki-rendering
> >> >> and xwiki-platform repositories. More globally can be meant to represent
> >> >> all the sources found in the xwiki github organization.
> >> >>
> >> >> * “XWiki Contrib”: Extensions to the "XWiki Runtime”. Located under the
> >> >> xwiki-contrib organization in github.
> >> >>
> >> >> * The "XWiki Core Development Team” or “XWiki Core Team” (previously
> >> >> called "XWiki Development Team"): the list of committers of the “xwiki"
> >> >> github organization.
> >> >>
> >> >> * “XWiki Platform”: synonymous for “XWiki Core”. Since “XWiki Platform”
> >> >> could also represent the xwiki-platform github repository, it’s better
> >> >> to
> >> >> use “XWiki Core” when wanting to name the full content of the xwiki
> >> >> github
> >> >> organization. For example: “The XWiki Core Development Team works on
> >> >> XWiki
> >> >> Core”…
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > But we will still be saying that XWiki is a "platform" on which you can
> >> > build your stuff, right?
> >> >
> >> > I would prefer not to mix the 2 terms, "Platform" and "Core", since IMO
> >> > "Core" includes "Platform", but not necessarily the other way around.
> >> > Remember that commons and rendering are theoretically stand-alone
> >> > projects
> >> > which are not directly connected to XWiki. The Platform works with the
> >> > rendering and commons to produce its artefacts but I would no go as far
> >> > as
> >> > to say that it also includes them and would prefer to use "XWiki Core"
> >> > for
> >> > that part.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> * “Flavor”: a set of Extensions (usually with a purpose) that can be
> >> >> installed all together in a XWiki Runtime or when creating a subwiki
> >> >> inside
> >> >> the XWiki Runtime.
> >> >>
> >> >> * The “Default Flavor”: the unique flavor provided by the “XWiki Core
> >> >> Development Team”. Contrib projects and more generally anyone else can
> >> >> contribute other flavors on extensions.xwiki.org. These flavors will
> >> >> appear in the XWiki Platform when you first run it or when you create a
> >> >> new
> >> >> subwiki. The Default Flavor is going to replace “XWiki Enterprise” (and
> >> >> enterprise.xwiki.org will be removed and folded into platform.xwiki.org
> >> >> -
> >> >> the same will happen for xwiki-enterprise which will be folded into
> >> >> xwiki-platform in github)
> >> >>
> >> >> * “XWiki Committers” or “XWiki Team". Vague terms that represent the
> >> >> full
> >> >> set of committers of both the xwiki and xwiki-contrib github
> >> >> organizations.
> >> >>
> >> >> * “XWiki N.P”. Shortcut for the “XWiki Runtime” version N.P (e.g. “XWiki
> >> >> 7.4.1”).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Will probably also be synonymous with "Default Flavor" version N.P since
> >> > it
> >> > will be synchronized with the "XWiki Runtime".
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> * The “XWiki Project”. Generic term that includes the work done by XWiki
> >> >> Contrib Committers, XWiki Core Committers and by extensions the work
> >> >> done
> >> >> by the full community of contributors to both xwiki and xwiki-contrib
> >> >> github organizations.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you agree with this? Any other terms that we should define?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Generally +1 (with the above mentions).
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Eduard
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Once agreed I’ll kickstart the work by updating xwiki.org pages by
> >> >> creating a Terminology page and update some existing pages. However
> >> >> it’ll
> >> >> be up to everyone to follow the terminology.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> -Vincent
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