One difference between Recommended and Supported could be that "it's demonstrating an advanced use case build on top of XWiki and user's installing it could see the power/benefits of XWiki". Unfortunately even this "definition" is subjective.
So my big problem is that I don't really understand how to say if an extension is recommended or not, and how this status is evolving/deprecating a particular extension over time. Thanks, Caty On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote: > How does an extensions looses it's "Recommended" status? > > Thanks, > Caty > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> "Not a core Extension (i.e. not bundled by default in the base XWiki >> Distribution)" >> >> extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Templates+Application/ is >> bundled >> extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Tour+Application is bundled >> extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/CKEditor+Integration is >> bundled >> >> I find http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Notes+ >> Application to be not very complex. >> >> Missing: >> - Blog (which is currently bundled) >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Flash+ >> messages+application >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/TotemApplication >> was also interesting >> - what about Repository app? >> >> Do we also provide a way for users to filter what apps are bundled (and >> maybe implicitely supported/recommended)? >> What about extensions that have "XWiki Development Team" as author? Are >> they implicitly supported/recommended? Is there a way to filter and see >> what they are? >> What is the difference between supported and recommended? Is it >> documented somewhere? Should the users care about this difference? (maybe >> the answers are found above in the thread, but I don't remember any >> conclusion) >> >> "Don't recommend extensions that are installed as dependencies of other >> recommended extensions, unless there are end-user use cases for using them >> directly." >> This means we don't support the apps dependencies? And in this category >> we have some macros: fullcalendar, pdfviewer, etc. >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Latest news: >>> >>> * I’ve finished reviewing all extensions on e.x.o >>> * The list of extensions that I consider recommended (there are 26 as of >>> now) is available at http://extensions.xwiki.org/xw >>> iki/bin/view/ExtensionCode/RecommendedExtensions/ >>> * There are some extensions that I don’t know well enough to know if >>> they could be recommended (not sure if they have active support, how well >>> they work on latest XE, etc): http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ >>> bin/view/Proposal/RecommendedExtensionsSelection >>> >>> To @Extension creators: please review the list and let me know if you >>> have some extensions that you’d like recommended (make sure to check the >>> criteria defined at http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ >>> bin/view/Proposal/RecommendedExtensionsSelection). >>> >>> Next steps: >>> * Modify the extension sheet to visually see when an extension is >>> recommended >>> * Modify the e.x.o home page to highlight Recommended Extension (see >>> http://markmail.org/message/cr5edm27qcag6n3q ) >>> * Modify EM to add the notion of Recommended >>> * Merge back the new Recommended field in the Repository Application >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>> > On 22 Aug 2016, at 11:20, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > I’ve started a wiki page to track which extensions we’re not sure >>> about (whether they should be recommended or not): >>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/RecommendedE >>> xtensionsSelection >>> > >>> > Please edit it if you have opinion/knowledge about them (or reply on >>> this thread and I’ll do the syncing). >>> > >>> > Note that for an app to be recommended it must follow the rules >>> defined on >>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/RecommendedE >>> xtensionsSelection#HWhatisaRecommendedExtension >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > -Vincent >>> > >>> >> On 18 Aug 2016, at 21:00, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> ok I’ve started. >>> >> >>> >> 3 things: >>> >> >>> >> * I’ve started defining what we mean by a recommended app, see >>> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ExtensionCode/Rec >>> ommendedExtensions/ >>> >> * I’ve processed the first 2 pages of the LT on the home page of >>> e.x.o. (ie the first 60 extensions) and I’ve marked 11 as recommended so >>> far: http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ExtensionCode/Rec >>> ommendedExtensions/ >>> >> * I’m hesitating for the following extensions. Specifically I need to >>> know what their authors think and whether they’re ok to support them >>> actively. I also don’t know them enough to know of their quality. Feel free >>> to comment on them. >>> >> >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Recent+ >>> Blog+Entries+Macros/ ? >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SunkenF >>> lamingoTheme/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RtForm/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Realtim >>> e+Netflux+Frontend/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Realtim >>> e+Netflux+Backend/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XQuiz/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Conditi >>> on+Macro/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Suggest >>> +LiveTable+Filter+Macro/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Let%27s >>> +Encrypt+support/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Derzela >>> s+Script+Runner/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XCarousel/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Wiki+An >>> alyzer+Application/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Event+L >>> isteners+Administration/ >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+ >>> Script+API Note: we will expose the filter app, should we also expose >>> the API? >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/ZoneEdit+Macro >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SVG+Ras >>> terizing+API >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Trusted >>> +Headers+Authentication+Adapter >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Trusted >>> +authentication+framework >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Mail+ad >>> dress+encryptor >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XWikiTube >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XFF+Mav >>> en+Plugin Note: wrong author!!! >>> >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Rights+ >>> UI+Simplifier >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> >> -Vincent >>> >> >>> >> The result is here: >>> >> >>> >>> On 18 Aug 2016, at 19:36, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m starting the work on this. BTW several of you have replied about >>> EM but this mail was only for “e.x.o” FTM (see the subject). >>> >>> >>> >>> The idea is to implement something similar to what Caty proposed at >>> >>> http://markmail.org/message/cr5edm27qcag6n3q >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m starting the work. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -Vincent >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 23 May 2016, at 10:39, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi devs, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> We have a lot of entries on extensions.xwiki.org (869 as of today) >>> and this causes some problems for our users: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> P1) A lot of them are not of good quality (they don’t work with the >>> latest versions, they are complex to use, they’ve not been updated for a >>> long time and are doing old and deprecated ways of doing things such as not >>> providing an entry in the Applications Panel for example, they’re not just >>> polished, etc) and this causes frustrations for our users. Note that this >>> also reflects on the overall quality of the XWiki project and product. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> P2) It’s hard for users to locate good extensions among the rest. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> We’ve started addressing P1) by introducing ratings on e.x.o. This >>> is not fully successful so far because we don’t have enough people voting >>> and because those ratings are not used to display/filter extensions on the >>> Extensions LT or inside XWiki in the EM UI. So we need to continue this >>> effort. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Note that this proposal is not addressing non-extensions such as >>> snippets which we’ll need to move elsewhere at some point but that becomes >>> less important with the proposal below. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Proposal >>> >>>> ======= >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I’d like to propose an additional strategy that, IMO, is better >>> suited for the size of our community: curation. Curation is the process of >>> hand-selecting the best extensions and marking them as recommended. The >>> idea would be to list recommended extensions first on the e.x.o home page, >>> in the EM UI in XWiki and even in extension search results. In the EM UI, >>> an idea would also be to have a new “Recommended Extensions” filter in >>> addition to the existing filters (core extensions, installed extensions, >>> etc) and that would be the default filter on the “Add Extensions” UI. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I propose to add a “Recommended” xproperty in the Repository app >>> for that. We can decide whether we want this just for e.x.o or committed in >>> the Repository app in xwiki-platform. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Then we need to decide about the curation process: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> * The XWiki core committers are in charge (i.e. have the >>> responsibility) of monitoring the apps that are marked “Recommended”, ie. >>> validating that it’s done correctly. XWiki core committers have the >>> authorization to unset an app that was marked a recommended by a community >>> member. >>> >>>> * We wouldn’t offer a simple way in the UI to mark an extension as >>> recommended since we don’t want everyone who has an account on xwiki.org >>> to start marking apps as recommended. OTOH we want to allow people from the >>> xwiki community to help out. So the way to mark an extension as recommended >>> would be to use the object editor (for now, we can define a better >>> implementation mechanism later on). >>> >>>> * We define some basic rules that extensions need to follow at >>> minimum to be accepted as recommended. These will be our guidelines to >>> avoid conflict of opinions (although there’s always the possibility in >>> which case it’s resolved through a vote): >>> >>>> - Need to work on LTS + latest XWiki version (ie. ATM that would be >>> 7.4.x and 8.1) >>> >>>> - Need to present a polished aspect and be easily usable >>> >>>> - Need to follow most of the best practices defined on >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/ApplicationDev >>> elopmentBestPractices. Some important examples: technical pages are >>> hidden, extension is registered in the app bar when it makes sense, >>> extension is internationalized (if it makes sense), pages are in xwiki >>> syntax 2.0+. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> WDYT? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I’m willing to help do the work and mark extensions as recommended. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks >>> >>>> -Vincent >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
