Also the design for our Download page might not be optimal with this
change. Users will have to go more to the Other versions if they will be
'recommended' a particular version (just like I said if they will adopt
some odd/even or  divisibility by 5 rule, etc).

Thanks,
Caty

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
vali...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +0 I'm not thrilled since:
> - it will put pressure on the RMs (there are several steps additional done
> for final releases + the ci needs to be shiny perfect + increases the
> number of jobs and branches for versions + branches for partial features);
> - in theory all the releases should be tested fully (before we had a
> buffer to catch bugs between Ms + more time for the community to test the
> releases) and
> - the roadmap items planning might need more issues/bureaucracy.
>
> Also users might be confused about the 'quality'/frequency of releases and
> they might adopt strategies like installing even/odd release version or
> just bugfix releases. So I'm not sure this will fix use case in terms of
> users feedback.
>
> It's just a feeling I have and I'm a bit worried since our community is
> small, but maybe I'm just resistant to change. I'm willing to try though.
>
> I would prefer 10 releases N.0 to N.9 (just for 'esthetic' reasons). Also
> I would have prefer to start this new version/release scheme for the 9.x
> cycle, instead of butchering the 8.4+ stabilization releases (for
> 'consistency' reasons).
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> Executive summary:
>> * Replace our 3 month release cycle by a 1 month release cycle.
>>
>> Needs and advantages:
>> * Be able to get our changes faster to our users. Importantly, bugfixes
>> are released faster to users. Note: it’s not because we release faster that
>> our users have to upgrade as fast. They can skip some versions if they
>> want/need.
>> * Be able to get more feedback more quickly from users. Right now, most
>> (if not all) of our users are testing only final versions. They’re not
>> testing milestones or RCs and thus we usually only know about problems
>> after the final has been released and we incorporate the change in the next
>> one (to be released 3 months later) or we have to do a bugfix release.
>> * Get closer to cloud needs. Nowadays, could offerings happen more and
>> more and operating a cloud means bringing improvements and fixes as fast as
>> possible. Some software in the cloud are even updated/patched several times
>> per day. We’re not there yet but we’re trying to get closer by reducing
>> from 3 months to 1 month
>> * This also means more marketing for the xwiki project since other site
>> relay the new whenever a final version is released
>>
>> Proposal Details:
>> * 1 month split in: 3 weeks to release a RC + 1 week to release the final
>> version. It’s very important to keep the RC as a meeting point and ensuring
>> all is going to be ready on time for the final release (jiras are closed or
>> moved to the next release, CI is passing, documentation and RN are ready,
>> etc).
>> * Split large features into smaller chunks. It doesn’t matter if some
>> code is released but unused for example (provided the build is passing).
>> For larger refactoring that absolutely cannot be split into 3 weeks chunks
>> (I’m not sure that really exists) then we can use branches (and create a CI
>> job to ensure integration).
>> * Less need for bugfix releases of stable versions. For LTS it’s still
>> required though.
>> * Note that this 1 month release strategy will not generate more releases
>> (and thus more work) over the year since we’re already releasing every 2-3
>> weeks ATM (milestones, RCs, et)
>> * Version Naming: from N.0 to N.10 where N is the cycle name. The reason
>> for 11 releases and not 12 is to account for slippages + potential bugfix
>> release at the end of the cycle for stabilization + holidays. We might even
>> be able to do only 10 releases and not 11 but I’m suggesting we try with 11
>> for now.
>>
>> When:
>> * I’m proposing to start this process with the 8.4 release (starting on
>> the 10th of October). Since that version is already supposed to be a
>> stabilization release (and thus a short 1 month release) it’s not going to
>> change anything. We should also do bugfix releases after 8.4 is releases:
>> 8.4.1, 8.4.2, etc till the end of the year
>> * Then starting 9.0 we really start doing 1 month releases.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Here’s my +1 to try this.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
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