* XWiki Minimal Runtime 2017-04-10 11:37 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < [email protected]>:
> * XWiki Base (on which you can construct), as a synonym of "Foundation" > (for a building). Foundation could be misunderstood because of the Software > foundations like Eclipse or Apache. > * XWiki Stand (as a synonym for Base) or XWiki Shelf > * XWiki Kernel (quite technical but I think technical users are the > targeted audience) > * XWiki Nude (ok it could be confusing, especially with the X in XWiki, > but at least the description is good) > * XWiki Bare > * XWiki Skeleton (already proposed by Paul for the KB flavor) > * XWiki Minimum Requirement > > I think the best proposition is "Base" but I'm sad we don't find a better > name. > > > 2017-04-04 14:53 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]>: > >> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Mortagne < >> [email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> So as I answered Vincent already: you want to get rid of this flavor. >> >> >> > >> > Not really, no. I *am* in favor of having a Base Flavor. It would be >> > invaluable for when writing other flavors (including the >> Defaut/Standard/KB >> > one), since it will take care of really basic setup, like the Velocity >> > Macro and such. Ideally, a new Flavor should depend on the Base, plus a >> > handful of applications/extensions and it should be set. >> >> I don't think you understood me :) >> >> What you want is a XAR but it does not need to be a flavor. >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> The point of a Flavor is to be installed as a top level UI, being a >> >> XAR is enough to be a flavor dependency. >> >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> >> > >> >> > As I`ve mentioned in the other mail, I`d prefer "Base" or "Minimal" >> (as >> >> > Vincent mentioned as well), mainly because I would not want users to >> be >> >> > encouraged to use it directly, but instead, to use a flavor that >> builds >> >> on >> >> > top of the Base and brings value (like the "Standard" flavor does). >> > >> > >> > Here I was just talking about the fact that I prefer to emphasize the >> > "boilerplate" nature of this flavor, vs the Lite/Mini/etc. which might >> > imply less resource consumption. Nothing more. >> > >> >> >> >> > Now, I`m getting a bit confused here as to the nature of this base >> >> flavor. >> >> > Is it a flavor or is it a distribution? Do we also have an XWiki >> "Base" >> >> > distribution (war) that is slimmed down to support at least the XWiki >> >> Base >> >> > *flavor*, and anything else will be installed with EM, according to >> what >> >> > any additional "extended" flavor instructs (i.e. through its >> >> dependencies)? >> >> >> >> We have since 8.0 a XWiki distribution (with its WAR and the related >> >> set of jetty/hsqldb, Debian packages, etc.) which contain pretty much >> >> only the strict minimum or platform stuff you can't install easily >> >> with EM (like plugins) and which ask you which flavor you want to >> >> install in the Distribution Wizard (it does not declare any default UI >> >> like XE does). >> >> >> > >> > Cool, then, IMO, we should be promoting only that, and not the XE base >> > distribution (which we could remove). >> >> This is the whole point but it's not really what we are debating here :) >> >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Eduard >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Eduard >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> If we want to use this flavor as a dependency for the other Flavors >> that >> >> >> will be built on top, than I would like it to be called just >> "XWiki", so >> >> >> your 1). >> >> >> All the other flavors built on top would have composed names like >> "XWiki >> >> >> KB", "XWiki Groupware", etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> Otherwise my vote goes to 3) Base or Basic. >> >> >> >> >> >> I think we should first define what this contains. For me it should >> not >> >> >> just be EM, but all the default XWiki capabilities to create >> content: >> >> from >> >> >> administration, to users, to templates, to editors, to viewers, to >> >> >> livetable, to navigation, etc. :) >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Caty >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Thomas Mortagne < >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Vincent Massol < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> On 3 Apr 2017, at 17:22, Thomas Mortagne < >> >> [email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Vincent Massol < >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > >>> Hi, >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 16:18, Thomas Mortagne < >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> Hi devs, >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> Since 8.0 we have in xwiki-platform a flavor simply called >> "XWiki >> >> >> > >>>> Flavor" which contains more or less the strict minimum to >> have >> >> >> > >>>> something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, >> >> Extension >> >> >> > >>>> Manager, a home page, etc.). >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> Since we want to promote the new Knowledge Base flavor have a >> >> >> > >>>> concurrent called "XWiki" is not really making it a favor so >> we >> >> >> should >> >> >> > >>>> probably find another name for it. >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> Here are some ideas: >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> 1) "XWiki" Flavor, it's Ok after all >> >> >> > >>>> 2) "Default" Flavor >> >> >> > >>>> 3) "Base” Flavor >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>>> 4) "Lite" Flavor >> >> >> > >>>> 5) "Mini" Flavor >> >> >> > >>>> 6) "Minimum" Flavor >> >> >> > >>>> 7) "Pico" Flavor >> >> >> > >>>> 8) <another word that means small> Flavor >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> This raises a question: Why do we have such a flavor? I don’t >> >> think >> >> >> we >> >> >> > need one if we have the KB flavor. >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> The only flavor that would make sense to me is a “Base” flavor >> >> that >> >> >> is >> >> >> > **empty** (ie no wiki pages) and that serves as a common base >> minimum >> >> for >> >> >> > other flavors. It would contain the bare minimum to have an XWiki >> >> >> runtime. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Note sure what is your point exactly. You want to discuss if >> it's >> >> >> > >> allowed to install it as flavor or if it's only a dependency of >> >> >> > >> another flavor ? >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > My point is that we should only offer 2 things: >> >> >> > > 1) the KB flavor >> >> >> > > 2) or let the user not choose any flavor and have an empty wiki >> (no >> >> >> wiki >> >> >> > pages and minimal set of core extensions) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So you want to remove this flavor. You don't need to install any >> >> >> > flavor to have an empty wiki. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > What is the “XWiki Flavor” right now? You mentioned that it >> >> contained >> >> >> > wiki pages (such as home page): >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > "contains more or less the strict minimum to have >> >> >> > > something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, >> Extension >> >> >> > > Manager, a home page, etc.).” >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > This doesn’t look like the minimum to me. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > So the first thing to agree is about the scope of this “base” >> >> flavor. >> >> >> > Then we can name it. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > When it was introduced it was defined as the flavor containing >> what we >> >> >> > think is common to any kind of flavor, the core UI extensions >> >> >> > basically like you have the core jar extensions on the WAR side. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > If it’s a minimal empty flavor then the best name for me are: >> >> >> > > - “Minimal" >> >> >> > > - "Base" >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Thanks >> >> >> > > -Vincent >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Thanks >> >> >> > >>> -Vincent >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>>> I don't think keeping "XWiki" is such a great idea. Default >> is >> >> even >> >> >> > worst. >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> I like "Lite" but might sound too much like "the very limited >> >> free >> >> >> > >>>> version, you are going to have advertisement in a month" >> theses >> >> >> days. >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> If I had to vote for only one it would be "Mini" but I'm fine >> >> with >> >> >> any >> >> >> > >>>> of the following proposals. >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> Thanks, >> >> >> > >>>> -- >> >> >> > >>>> Thomas Mortagne >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> -- >> >> >> > >> Thomas Mortagne >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Thomas Mortagne >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thomas Mortagne >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne >> > > > > -- > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > Committer on the XWiki.org project > -- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project
