No the main user case is really not "offline install" for me. There is other ways to deal with that and the need is not specific to jetty/hsqldb package anyway.
As explained on http://markmail.org/message/nav5a77hzmhq4gq6 the main target is quick test (you unzip/run and test something related to this flavor quickly). The download part does not change much in the install time, most of the time is spent saving more that 400 documents in the database. On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> wrote: > >> On 14 Apr 2017, at 22:34, Sergiu Dumitriu <ser...@xwiki.org> wrote: >> >> On 04/14/2017 09:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: >>> Here is a new proposal on this subject. >>> >>> This supersets the following threads: >>> * http://markmail.org/message/mhhurc7lbyfanph7 >>> * http://markmail.org/message/nav5a77hzmhq4gq6 >>> * http://markmail.org/message/fd5ijxdquzdhtykw >>> >>> We discussed with other committers (Vincent and Ludovic) and came to >>> the conclusion that it was not core dev team job to provide a specific >>> flavor like Knowledge Base and that we should focus only on a very >>> generic one (pretty much XE without the Blog). >>> >>> Here are the details: >>> >>> = One flavor >>> >>> We develop only 1 flavor located in xwiki-platform repository. It's a >>> generic flavor not targeting any specific use case (the first version >>> with be XE without the Blog). We will discuss the name in another >>> thread later, let's call it "Wiki Flavor" for now. >>> >>> Of course everyone is free and welcomed to build lots of contrib >>> flavors which will be proposed when you install XWiki ("Development >>> Flavor", "Demo Flavor", "Blog Flavor", etc.). >>> >>> = No "Base flavor" >>> >>> But platform will provide an extension that can be used as dependency >>> by various flavors to get "core" UI extensions that we think make >>> sense in any kind of flavor. >>> >>> = Demo package >>> >>> We currently have a jetty/hsqldb based package in platform which let >>> you choose which flavor you want. We will show it in the download >>> page. >>> >>> We will add another one with the Wiki Flavor already installed in it >>> (pretty much like the XE jetty/hsqldb package). Listed on the download >>> page too. >> >> Why? Is it that bad to always let the user choose the flavor? We can >> split flavors into three levels: >> >> - The "Raw XWiki" flavor is on top, pre-selected >> - Recommended flavors are next, in a list >> - All flavors behind a "browse more" button >> >> The only case when leaving the standalone package empty might fail is in >> a no-internet environment, but for this we can have a workaround: make >> the jars, xars and poms needed for installing the base flavor available >> in the package. > > Yes the reason is for the offline test use case. > > Bundling all flavors could be a solution indeed but it seems a bit overkill > to me, especially if the user only wants a single one, don’t you think? > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> Everything else sounds good, +1. >> >>> We don't maintain exe/jar installers anymore in platform, they die >>> with XWiki Enterprise. They are a real pain to maintain and we are >>> actually failing since they don't really work properly everywhere they >>> are supposed to work. It does not worth the trouble for what is not a >>> production ready package and it's better anyway to make more clear >>> XWiki is a server thing. >>> >>> WDYT ? >> >> >> -- >> Sergiu Dumitriu >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ > -- Thomas Mortagne
