"XWiki Vanilla", because it`s the *standard flavor* :D Sounds so funny that I kind of like it :)
However, I`m not so sure about non-techinical users or how that goes with other stuff that we already or might produce, since we don`t really have a pattern on that. Fun proposal, though. Thanks, Eduard On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Marta Girdea <marta.gir...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm jumping in a bit late, but I was just wondering if anyone considered > "Vanilla" [1]. It was the absolute first thing that popped to my mind when > I saw the discussion about naming the standard flavour. > > Just my 2 cents, > Marta > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software > > On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> > wrote: > > > Hi Denis and all, > > > > > On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle <d...@softec.lu> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting > > close to a conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause more > > fuzz than good. > > > I am in accordance with most of what was said so far, but “Default” > > looks to me a less valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a strong > > opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard” and +0 to “Default”. I will use > > “Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but you can substitute > it > > with “Default” if you wish (you might notice further subtle differences, > or > > not). > > > So, what I am not sure about now is why all proposals end with “XWiki > > flavor” (and this is not really about the American spelling of flavour ! > > :D). All flavours we gonna have surely will be XWiki ones, won’t it ? So > if > > we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am afraid we are going to > lead > > a movement where everyone will name their flavour with that same suffix. > Is > > that our intention ? > > > “XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a different meaning, since > > it would say more “Standard flavour made by the XWiki team”. However, if > > our intent was more to say this is a generic wiki flavour, using > “Standard > > Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended meaning. And if our > > meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with > “Standard > > Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better. > > > WDYT ? > > > > I agree with you. > > > > I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI: > > * “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same way as > > we don’t add an “Extension” suffix in the EM UI. IMO the DW UI for > flavors > > should indicate the author in the UI, something like ”Standard” and then > > “developed by XWiki Development Team” or “developed by XWiki SAS” or > > “developed by Denis Gervalle”. > > * "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the one > > made by the XWiki open source dev team. So that could be the full name > but > > the name we display in the DW UI could simply be “Standard Flavor” and > then > > “developed by XWiki Development Team”, etc. > > > > If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement for > > the “Standard” term, to mention that it’s a generic wiki flavor, as > opposed > > to an intranet flavor, a knowledge base flavor, etc. But I agree that > “Wiki > > Flavor” is a good contender (and one that Ludovic mentioned too, he even > > mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be +0 on “Wiki Flavor”. “Standard > > Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints that there can be other generic > > Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it. > > > > Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the XWiki > > Dev Team could be prefixed with XWiki as in “the XWiki Standard Flavor” > (or > > “XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other companies or individuals would name is with > > their identity, such as “the <my company> Procedure Flavor”. > > > > WDYT? > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > -- > > > Denis Gervalle > > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne < > thomas.morta...@xwiki.com> > > wrote: > > > So here is the current situation > > > > > > = Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto > > > > > > * "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3) > > > * "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2) > > > > > > = Someone gave a veto on those > > > > > > * "Base XWiki Flavor" > > > * "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits Edy > > > and Vincent) > > > * "Raw XWiki Flavor" > > > * "Starter XWiki Flavor" > > > * "XWiki Flavor” > > > * "Generic XWiki Flavor" > > > > > > Anyone want to change his votes ? > > > > > > I don't really have a preference between "Default" and "Standard". > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> > > wrote: > > >> So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV: > > >> > > >> * "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas) > > >> * “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a > non > > classic and *better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make sense) > > >> * “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning IMO and a bit deprecatory) > > >> * “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which > > isn’t the case) > > >> * "Default XWiki Flavor” +1 > > >> * "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1 > > >> * “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO) > > >> * "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually > > means “developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other > > flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. > IMO > > it’s not easy enough to differentiate and understand what it means > compared > > to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or “Demo > > Flavor” from contrib. > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> -Vincent > > >> > > >>> On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.morta...@xwiki.com > > > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hi devs, > > >>> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform > > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE. > > >>> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed > > XWiki now. > > >>> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not > tied > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor" > > >>> :)). > > >>> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails: > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor" > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor" > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor" > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor" > > >>> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term. > > >>> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor. > > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's > > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed > > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me. > > >>> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually > see > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than > > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm > also > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name. > > >>> > > >>> WDYT ? > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Thomas Mortagne > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas Mortagne > > > > >
