;-) Saya tahunya baru STI. Ada organisasi penampungan SEB? Tolong bagi yang 
tahu, saya diberi tahu.

Terima Kasih

Salam,
Michael S

>From: "Giri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [MUBI] RE: Message not approved: [Discourses_of_the_Buddha] 
>Re: Please help EngagedBuddhism
>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:13:04 +0700
>
>Bro Michael,
>
>Bila memang anda ingin mempromosikan SEB, apakah tidak sebaiknya seluruh
>komunitas buddhis, bukan hanya satu saja?
>Mengenai gerakan SEB, apakah di STI itu sudah ada dan berjalan dengan baik?
>Di Indonesia yang menjalankan SEB itu siapa saja? Boleh saya tahu.
>
>Belakangan ini, saya sih termasuk, keributan di tempat lain dibawa2 ke
>mana2. Maklum sudah pada jago2 meditasi sih, sehingga tidak ada namanya
>etika, kemelekatan atas etika sudah hilang. Termasuk email ini yah, 
>harusnya
>japri malah dibuka kemana2.
>
>Hahahahaha... sungguh benar2 suatu pencapaian.
>
>
>
>salam
>
>
>
>Giri
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael suswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Bung moderator Dharmajala, kalau Anda cerdik, anda justru akan
> > menyebarluaskannya. Karena dalam message itu saya mengatakan:
> >
> > >For one who'd like to donate, please somehow make the receiver know 
>that
> > >the
> > >donation is for schools, universities, or clinics (not for Viharas
> > >in Indonesia that are already many and quite luxuriant; this part we
> > >have other party's donation).
> >
> > [Terjemahan: Untuk orang yang ingin memberi dana (donasi), mohon 
>bagaimana
> > caranya, buatlah si penerima mengetahui bahwa donasi ini adalah untuk
> > sekolah, universitas, klinik (bukan untuk Vihara di Indonesia yang sudah
> > banyak dan lumayan mewah; karena bagian ini sudah ada donaturnya
>sendiri).]
> >
> > Jadi begini bung moderator, donasi dari donatur luar itu kan juga 
>akhirnya
> > buat SEB (Scially Engaged Buddhism); sekolah, universitas, klinik.
> >
> > Dan ini "menggugah"  si penerima (Sangha Theravada Indonesia) mengenai
> > adanya simpati akan Socially Enggaed Buddhism (SEB) DI INDONESIA dari 
>luar
> > negeri.
> >
> > Dapat dana untuk social institutions, kok ndak mau... . Kan Socially
> > Engaged.
> >
> > Salam metta,
> > Michael S
> >
> > >From: "dharmajala_owner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "Michael suswanto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Message not approved: [Discourses_of_the_Buddha] Re: Please 
>help
> > >Engaged Buddhism
> > >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:13:52 -0000
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Dear Brother Michael,
> > >
> > >Mohon maaf message ini tidak kami approved karena milis Dharmajala
> > >bukanlah sarana untuk mempromosikan satu Sangha melainkan untuk
> > >mempromosikan Hidup Berkesadaran dan SEB.
> > >
> > >Anumodana
> > >
> > >Moderator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Please let them also know about Indonesian Sangha:
> > > >
> > > > Wisma Sangha Theravada Indonesia
> > > > Jl. Margasatva 9 (Depan BBC).
> > > > Pondok Labu, Jakarta 12450
> > > > Telp/Fax (021) 75914315
> > > >
> > > > To donate:
> > > > Yayasan Sangha Theravada
> > > > Bank: BCA Cabang Cikarang
> > > > A/C: 343-30-0290-0
> > > >
> > > > For one who'd like to donate, please somehow make the receiver know
> > >that the
> > > > donation is for schools, universities, or clinics (not for Viharas
> > >in
> > > > Indonesia that are already many and quite luxuriant; this part we
> > >have other
> > > > party's donation).
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > With Viriya,
> > > > Michael S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "matheesha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: [Discourses_of_the_Buddha] Re: Please help Engaged
> > >Buddhism
> > > > >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:35:50 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Hello Michael,
> > > > >
> > > > >I am very glad to hear that there are people such as yourself out
> > >to
> > > > >revive budhism in indonesia. Jeff is right in pointing you in that
> > > > >direction. I also know that Ajhan Brhamavanso also visits
> > > > >internationally in helping to spread buddhism. He was recently in
> > > > >sri lanka and it sent waves through the buddhist community there.
> > > > >
> > > > >Sri Lanka was also in a state of ruin in terms of buddhism due to
> > > > >foreign invasions and occupation and the concomitant spread of
> > > > >missonary christianity. We found them building schools and churches
> > > > >and converting our people. More recently they come to the land as
> > > > >aid doner agencies and spread their religion along with aid. Where
> > > > >there is poverty and poor education chritianity can sink its roots
> > > > >in.
> > > > >
> > > > >But on thing changed sri lankan buddhism forever in the 1950's and
> > > > >began its revival. This was the introduction of meditation from
> > > > >Burma. The Burmese ambasador at the time sent us a precious gift of
> > > > >dhamma in the form of Mahasi Sayadaw who eventually set up a
> > > > >meditation centre in the island. It has been growing from strength
> > > > >to strength since then. Having something like meditation which
> > >shows
> > > > >benefit here and now has become a very strong point in attracting
> > >to
> > > > >buddhism and there is much respect towards budhist monks from all
> > > > >other religions/their people in sri lanka. another crucial factor
> > > > >maybe the fact that buddhist talks are broadcast on TV and Radio
> > > > >once a month on full moon days which are religious days there. This
> > > > >leads to the whole population understanding the applications of
> > > > >buddhism in their lives and seeing its importance and depth.
> > > > >
> > > > >We also have buddhist schools which were set up as a reaction
> > > > >towards christian schools and also buddhist sunday school in
> > >temples
> > > > >where young children are sent to learn buddhism and learn values.
> > > > >Buddhism is also part of the school curriculum from an early age
> > >and
> > > > >is there as a subject.
> > > > >
> > > > >Then another popular thing is the celebration of vesak/vishaka puja
> > > > >which is something everyone can participate in and is great fun. I
> > > > >have fond memories of vesak celebrations as a child which will
> > >never
> > > > >leave me. We celebrate it with orante vesak lanterns, and is
> > > > >essentially a night time celebration as it is a celebration of
> > > > >light -sginifying the wisdom of the buddha.
> > > > >
> > > > >Reviving buddhism takes money but a whole lot more in my opinion.
> > > > >You are probably looking at a 50 year project at the very least, I
> > > > >would suspect. But that 50 years will go faster than you can
> > > > >imagine.
> > > > >
> > > > >So to summarise
> > > > >1) Introduction of meditation possibly by inviting foreign monks
> > > > >like ajhna brahmavanso and setting up a meditation centre which
> > >will
> > > > >serve the people there
> > > > >2) making buddhism available widely :books, tapes etc in book shops
> > > > >and temples, sermons over the media etc
> > > > >3) setting up schools, introduction into the school curriculum,
> > > > >sunday school in temples will be helpful
> > > > >4) helping poor people through buddhist organisations - the temple
> > > > >must become the focal point in an area - the monk must be like a
> > > > >councellor to relieve the burden of people - they might even
> > >undergo
> > > > >proper training for it like christian priests do sometimes
> > > > >5) creation of a buddhist holiday and celebrating it -media
> > >coverage.
> > > > >
> > > > >Please do contact me if you want to talk about things. I have
> > > > >proposed detailed plans to the ministry of buddhism in Sri Lanka in
> > > > >reviving buddhism more in Sri Lanka so I have some experience with
> > > > >this type of thing. I believe what you are setting out to do is
> > >very
> > > > >important.
> > > > >
> > > > >good luck to you!
> > > > >
> > > > >matheesha
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Michael suswanto"
> > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >--- Michael suswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello Jeff,
> > > > > > > > please help me to gather contacts of Viharas
> > > > > > > > (temples) all around the world
> > > > > > > > with the Abbot's name. Countries like Thailand,
> > > > > > > > Japan, Taiwan, USA, England,
> > > > > > > > Europe, Australia, etc. Little by little as what you
> > > > > > > > know or what you could
> > > > > > > > help, would be appreciated.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's for the project: the wellness of Buddhism - a
> > > > > > > > Socially & Formally
> > > > > > > > Engaged Buddhism on Earth.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kindest regards,
> > > > > > > > Michael Suswanto
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Jeffrey Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >To: Michael suswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Please help Engaged Buddhism
> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:54:37 -0800 (PST)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hello Michael, I would be more than happy to help you
> > > > > > >reach out to the international community of Buddhism
> > > > > > >for reinvigorating Asian Buddhism. However, there is a
> > > > > > >wonderful international directory of Buddhist
> > > > > > >resources on Buddha Net at this URL
> > > > > > >http://www.buddhanet.net/ Through this directory you
> > > > > > >will be able to find Buddhist Viharas all over the
> > > > > > >world.  I do have a directory of viharas in the USA,
> > > > > > >which I would be very happy to send to you, however, I
> > > > > > >will need to know what kind of format you want it in.
> > > > > > >The file is currently in Filemaker Pro format.  I can
> > > > > > >export it in various formats.  However, if you could
> > > > > > >use it in its original Filemaker Pro format I believe
> > > > > > >you will find it most useful.  The most universal
> > > > > > >format is, however, is "tab delimitated."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I would be more than happy to use the computer and web
> > > > > > >resources of the GWV to aid you in your endeavor.  I
> > > > > > >could easily send out emails to the Buddhist community
> > > > > > >if you think that would help.  If you would like we
> > > > > > >could compose a series of messages to be sent out to
> > > > > > >the Buddhist community.  I have a listserv of 615
> > > > > > >Buddhist viharas in the USA.  I also subscribe to 279
> > > > > > >Yahoo groups, so I could very easily broadcast your
> > > > > > >message to a very large International Buddhist
> > > > > > >community.  Since your needs are international I could
> > > > > > >also, with some time and effort, capture the contact
> > > > > > >information of every vihara that is listed in the
> > > > > > >Buddha Net directory.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I believe the Great Western Vehicle needs some kind of
> > > > > > >engaged outreach program that serves as a vehicle for
> > > > > > >the betterment of all.  The plight of the decay of
> > > > > > >Buddhism in Asia seems like a worthy outreach program.
> > > > > > >  Thus I and the GWV would be more than happy to serve
> > > > > > >in any way we can to reinvigorate Asian Buddhism.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Our work in support of contemplatives who have arrived
> > > > > > >at absorption (jhana) is our primary focus, however,
> > > > > > >that community is a very small one.  Because the jhana
> > > > > > >community is so small I believe the Great Western
> > > > > > >Vehicle needs a larger focus, that focus has been
> > > > > > >defined as forging alliances between Buddhism and the
> > > > > > >other religions of the world.  Indonesia happens to be
> > > > > > >in a rather interesting position in that Buddhism is a
> > > > > > >minority there, when it was a majority religion at one
> > > > > > >time.  Thus Indonesia might be the perfect place from
> > > > > > >which alliances between Christianity and Islam could
> > > > > > >be forged.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I believe what you may need to reinvigorate Buddhism
> > > > > > >in Indonesia is one individual who can function as a
> > > > > > >"lightning rod" to draw international attention to the
> > > > > > >plight of Buddhism in Indonesia, and for that matter,
> > > > > > >Sri Lanka as well.  That individual would have to have
> > > > > > >impeccable credentials with respect to leading an
> > > > > > >ethical life.  One would not want to find a champion
> > > > > > >for your cause who turns out to be a self-serving
> > > > > > >narcissist, or a drug addicted philanderer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I believe what Asian Buddhism is lacking is a
> > > > > > >philanthropic attitude.  I believe it is through
> > > > > > >loving kindness (metta) that Asian Buddhism can and
> > > > > > >will be able to reinvigorate itself.  And, with the
> > > > > > >recent tsunami relief effort one could fairly easily
> > > > > > >direct that effort to the larger issue of giving Asian
> > > > > > >Buddhism a philanthropic focus.  What Asian Buddhism
> > > > > > >does not need is a bunch of pampered monks who do not
> > > > > > >work for the betterment of all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Please let me know if there is anything that I can do
> > > > > > >to help you reinvigorate Asian Buddhism.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Kindest regards, Jhanananda
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >_________________________________________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MICHAEL:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding your question about one who's respected by the
> > > > >Indonesian Buddhist
> > > > > > community and leading an ethical life in Indonesia is Bhikkhu
> > > > >Pannavaro Maha
> > > > > > Thera - he's known internationally. But, another monk named
> > > > >Bhikkhu
> > > > > > Dhammasubho Maha Thera is the one who has the power (chairmonk?)
> > > > >over the
> > > > > > STI (Sangha Theravada Indonesia), I think. So if you are willing
> > > > >to help in
> > > > > > action, please send this two bhikkhu a letter, a snail mail from
> > > > >USA; from
> > > > > > you or some American robed monk (if you can lead one of them to
> > >do
> > > > >it)
> > > > > > planning or concerning about Engaged Buddhism Internationally
> > > > >including
> > > > > > Indonesia (about the condition of Viharas with mostly no monk in
> > > > >Indonesia,
> > > > > > and the Formal / Social penetration of Buddhist Schools,
> > > > >Universities,
> > > > > > Hospitals in Indonesia).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These two important monks:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bhikkhu Dhammasubho Maha Thera
> > > > > > Jl. Margasatwa 9, Pondok Labu,
> > > > > > Jakarta Selatan
> > > > > > West Java
> > > > > > Indonesia
> > > > > >
> > > > > > B. Sri Pannavaro Mahathera
> > > > > > Vihara Mendut
> > > > > > Kotak pos 111
> > > > > > Magelang
> > > > > > Central Java
> > > > > > Indonesia
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please when you send them letters, don't mention one of them in
> > > > >the letter
> > > > > > for each part. Meaning: in the letter intended to Dhammasubho,
> > > > >don't mention
> > > > > > the name of Pannavaro. Vice versa. But I think, and (I think)
> > >most
> > > > >people in
> > > > > > Indonesia think too, Pannavaro is wiser.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________________________
> > > > > > Regarding your listserv, thank you for willing to spread my
> > >letter
> > > > >to
> > > > > > Buddhists or people with interest of Buddhism all around the
> > >world
> > > > >in the
> > > > > > internet via your listserv.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, I was actually going to give a bank account (for
> > > > >receiving
> > > > > > donation :-)) of the Centre of Buddhist Formal Education in
> > > > >Indonesia,
> > > > > > instead of the Indonesian Sangha (Sangha Theravada Indonesia).
> > >But
> > > > >I found
> > > > > > out that all schools & universities are stand up on their own. I
> > > > >currently
> > > > > > found 33 schools (including university). Nevertheless, one
> > > > >actually could
> > > > > > donate the STI (Sangha Theravada Indonesia) by stating that it's
> > > > >not for
> > > > > > Vihara, but it is for public Buddhist schools, public Buddhist
> > > > >universities,
> > > > > > and public Buddhist clinics (we don't have hospitals yet).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wisma Sangha Theravada Indonesia
> > > > > > Jl. Margasatva 9 (Depan BBC) Pondok Labu, Jakarta 12450
> > > > > > Telp/Fax (021) 75914315
> > > > > > Bank Account:
> > > > > > Yayasan Sangha Theravada
> > > > > > Bank: BCA
> > > > > > A/C: 343-30-0290-0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please also add your comments before/after the message before
> > > > >spreading this
> > > > > > message below to your listserv:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Namo Buddhaya.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To Buddhist fellows all around the world, I am Michael (D.O.B:
> > >28
> > > > >February
> > > > > > 1985) writing from Indonesia. I was babtised and raised as a
> > > > >Catholic. Now
> > > > > > I'm in the middle of a religion-based-social-pattern of
> > >Indonesia;
> > > > > > monotheism. I used to live in Perth (Western Australia) and
> > > > >regularly
> > > > > > attended Ajahn Brahmavamso's dhammadesana and his monastery, I
> > > > >went back to
> > > > > > Indonesia last year in February and I am currently back into
> > > > >Catholic
> > > > > > University. It's weird that in Indonesia, outside of monotheism
> > >we
> > > > >are
> > > > > > condemned as communist, atheist, etc (atheist is viewed bad
> > >here).
> > > > >It's like
> > > > > > an implicit law that atheist, nontheist, and agnostic are not
> > > > >allowed. It's
> > > > > > due to political issue that had happened before.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Indonesia was called NUSANTARA (pre history). What's so called
> > >now
> > > > >Thailand,
> > > > > > Philipine, Malaysia, .. up to South China and maybe more, WAS
> > >(in
> > > > >that
> > > > > > pre-history time) NUSANTARA. And Nusantara was a strong and
> > > > >developed
> > > > > > Buddhist domain / kingdom. Borobudur Temple in Java island of
> > > > >Indonesia is
> > > > > > one of 7 World Wonder. We still have many pre-history temples
> > > > >besides of
> > > > > > Borobudur.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That time, Muslim from other country (Arab or Chinese Muslim)
> > > > >came. And....
> > > > > > long story. The point is; kingdoms' war, the ruin of the
> > >Kingdom.
> > > > >Thousands
> > > > > > of Buddhists were killed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then western colonizer came (Portugese, Dutch) with their
> > > > >missionaries
> > > > > > (Christian). Dutch colonized for over 300 years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now Indonesia is the biggest Muslim population on Earth.
> > >Secondly,
> > > > >Catholic
> > > > > > and Christian are quite strong in this country. They are quite
> > > > >viewed
> > > > > > because of strong organization. The point is, they have schools,
> > > > >they have
> > > > > > hospitals, and universities, especially the Catholics. They fit
> > > > >(penetrate)
> > > > > > into social. In Indonesia since the year 1970 - 2003, Buddhist
> > > > >descendant
> > > > > > decreased 50%.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The point is, people (Buddhist, Buddhist descendant) became non-
> > > > >Buddhist
> > > > > > (and not little they become fanatics and attack back / trying to
> > > > >convert the
> > > > > > Buddhist tradition of their families) because of school and
> > >their
> > > > > > socialization. Not because they go to churches first then became
> > > > >Christians,
> > > > > > but it's because of schools and friends (social) -- social
> > > > >paradigm of
> > > > > > thinking -- then they become non-Buddhist (and not little of
> > >them
> > > > >are
> > > > > > forgetting the family's / the ancestor's tradition; traditional
> > > > >Buddhism).
> > > > > > Buddhist schools/institutions in Indonesia are still very few
> > >and
> > > > >little
> > > > > > recognized.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The issue is, most people spent their `Dana' (donation) for
> > >Vihara
> > > > >(temple).
> > > > > > Viharas (temples) in Indonesia are quite plenty, big and
> > >luxuriant
> > > > >with
> > > > > > little people coming (and little monks, for sure). When there's
> > > > >Buddhist
> > > > > > events, true it's plenty people coming to the event, it's
> > >because
> > > > >people
> > > > > > from other domain/cities are also coming.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wonder why many people don't have the long term vision of
> > >`Dana'
> > > > >(money,
> > > > > > energy, effort) for Buddhist Formal Foundation such schools,
> > > > >universities,
> > > > > > hospitals (as a router for the Dhamma to the world/public).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I know a little about history, 'University' was first existed
> > > > >in India.
> > > > > > And it was Buddhist University.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know a story in Tipitaka about The Buddha visiting some
> > >village
> > > > >with
> > > > > > diseases / the sick, dirty place ...  Then The Disciples cleaned
> > > > >up and took
> > > > > > care of the diseases, then so The Buddha gave the Dhammadesana
> > > > >(Dharma
> > > > > > Talk).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Through good will, I'm thinking of Socially Engaged Buddhism for
> > > > >the sake of
> > > > > > Buddhist evocation socially. Dharma and Viharas will
> > >automatically
> > > > >flow
> > > > > > through it. Now, Viharas (temples) are still shining, even-
> > >though
> > > > >in
> > > > > > Indonesia we have little people and we have most times Viharas
> > > > >(temples)
> > > > > > with no monk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Warm Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Suswanto
> > > > > > [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >_________________________________________________________________
> >
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