Hi Bro Gunawan,

Sekuntum teratai dulu buat bro, seorang calon Buddha.

Saya kurang jelas maksud pertanyaannya karena tidak spesifik. Jadi
bisa saya interpretasikan macam2.

Misal:

1. Apakah maksud pertanyaan itu hendak mengarah pd teman Bro Gunawan
menyanggah pendapat Bhante Mettanando dgn menunjukkan Acchariya
Abbhuta Sutta? 

Jika ya, teman bro ada kesempatan bagus untuk berinteraksi langsung
dengan bhante pd ceramah tgl 30 April di Ekayana maupun acara talk
show Dharmayana Untar tgl 1 Mei. Jadi silahkan datang dan tanya
langsung pd bhante. Lebih sipkan?

2. Apakah Bro Gunawan hendak menanyakan komentar saya ttg Acchariya
Abbhuta Sutta?

Jika ya, jawabannya adalah saya baru pertama kali baca sutta ini. Thx.

Sutta ini bercerita ttg kelahiran bodhisatwa. Ceritanya seru
ya...hahaha. Dan hingga saat ini saya belum tertarik dgn sutta2
seperti ini. Jadi saya belum pernah termotivasi untuk mencari,
membaca, dan mengkajinya. Maaf hanya ini yang bisa saya komentari.

Ohya,

Ada 1 lagi artikel Bhante Mettanando yg berjudul "How The Buddha Died"
yg sudah diterjemahkan Bro Sutedja Tjandra. Mudah2an minggu depan
keburu diedit dan dishare ke milis2 Buddhis. Artikel itu lebih seru
lagi bro. Bakal ngajak kita mikir dan bisa tidak nyaman untuk
sementara orang.

Segini dulu ya bro.

Aku harus jalan dulu.

Anumodana
Let us try to be mindfull
Salam Perjuangan

JL

 

--- In [email protected], "Gunawan Kurnia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bro Jimmy,
> Seorang rekan mengirimkan kutipan di bawah sebagai tanggapan atas
artikel
> karya Bhikkhu Mettanando.
> Ada komentar, Bro Jimmy ?
> Thanks anyway.
> 
> Best Regards,
> ( Gunawan Kurnia (
> 
> 
> Acchariya Abbhuta Sutta
> 
> 
> Thus have I heard.  On one occasion the Blessed One was living at
Savatthi
> in Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's Park.
> 
> Now a number of Bhikkhus were sitting in the assembly hall, where
they had
> met together on returning from their alms-round, after their meal,
when this
> discussion arose among them: "It is wonderful, friends, it is
marvelous, how
> mighty and powerful is the Tath�gata! For he is able to know about the
> Buddhas of the past-who attained to final Nibb�na, cut the tangle of
> proliferation, broke the cycle, ended the round, and surmounted all
> suffering-that for those Blessed Ones their birth was thus, their
names were
> thus, their clans were thus, their virtue was thus, their state of
> concentration was thus, their wisdom was thus, their abiding in
attainments
> was thus, their deliverance was thus."
> 
> When this was said, the venerable �nanda told the Bhikkhus: "Friends,
> Tath�gatas are wonderful and have superb qualities. Tath�gatas are
marvelous
> and have splendid qualities."
> 
> However, their discussion was interrupted; for the Blessed One rose from
> meditation when it was evening, went to the assembly hall, and sat
down on a
> seat made ready. Then he addressed the Bhikkhus thus: "Bhikkhus, for
what
> discussion are you sitting together here now? And what was your
discussion
> that was interrupted?"
> 
> "Here, Venerable Sir, we were sitting in the assembly hall, where we
had met
> together on returning from our alms-round, after our meal, when this
> discussion arose among us: 'It is wonderful, friends, it is
> marvelous...their deliverance was thus." When this was said,
Venerable Sir,
> the Venerable �nanda said to us: 'Friends, Tath�gatas are wonderful
and have
> superb qualities. Tath�gatas are marvelous and have splendid qualities.'
> This was our discussion, Venerable Sir, that was interrupted when the
> Blessed One arrived."
> 
> Then the Blessed One addressed the Venerable �nanda: "That being so,
�nanda,
> explain more fully the Tath�gatas wonderful and marvelous qualities."
> 
> "I heard and learned this, Venerable Sir, from the Blessed One's own
lips:
> 'Mindful and fully aware, �nanda, the Bodhisattva appeared in the
Tushita
> heaven.' That mindful and fully aware the Bodhisattva appeared in the
> Tushita Heaven - This I remember as a wonderful and marvelous
quality of the
> Blessed One.
> 
> 'I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: Mindful
and fully
> aware the Bodhisattva remained in the Tushita Heaven.' This too I
remember
> as a wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'For the
whole of
> his life-span the Bodhisattva remained in the Tushita heaven.' This
too I
> remember as a wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'Mindful and
> fully aware the Bodhisattva passed away from the Tushita heaven and
> descended into his mother's womb.' This too I remember as a
wonderful and
> marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'When the
> Bodhisattva passed away from the Tushita heaven and descended into his
> mother's womb, then a great immeasurable light surpassing the
splendor of
> the gods appeared in the world with its gods, its Maras, and its
Brahmas, in
> this generation with its recluses and Brahmans, with its princes and its
> people. And even in those abysmal world interspaces of vacancy,
gloom, and
> utter darkness, where the moon and the sun, mighty and powerful as
they are,
> cannot make the their light prevail-there too a great immeasurable light
> surpassing the splendor of the gods appeared. And the beings born there
> perceived each other by that light: "So other beings, indeed, have
appeared
> here." And this ten-thousand-fold world system shook and quaked and
> trembled, and there too a great immeasurable light surpassing the
splendor
> of the gods appeared.' This too I remember as a wonderful and marvelous
> quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'When the
> Bodhisattva had descended into his mother's womb, four young deities
came to
> guard him at the four quarters so that no humans or non-humans or
anyone at
> all could harm the Bodhisattva or his mother.' This too I remember as a
> wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'When the
> Bodhisattva had descended into his mother's womb, she became
intrinsically
> virtuous, refraining from killing living beings, from taking what is not
> given, from misconduct in sensual pleasures, from false speech, and from
> wines, liquors, and intoxicants, which are the basis of negligence.'
This
> too I remember as a wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'When the
> Bodhisattva had descended into his mother's womb, no sensual thought
arose
> in her concerning men, and she was inaccessible to any man having a
lustful
> mind.' This too I remember as a wonderful and marvelous quality of the
> Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'When the
> Bodhisattva had descended into his mother's womb, she obtained the five
> cords of sensual pleasure, and furnished and endowed with them, she
enjoyed
> herself with them.' This too I remember as a wonderful and marvelous
quality
> of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'when the
> Bodhisattva had descended into his mother's womb, no kind of affliction
> arose in her; she was blissful and free from bodily fatigue. She saw the
> Bodhisattva within her womb with all his limbs, lacking no faculty.
Suppose
> a blue, yellow, red, white, or brown thread were strung through a
fine beryl
> gem of purest water, eight-faceted, well cut, and a man with good
sight were
> to take it in his hand and review it thus: "This is a fine beryl gem of
> purest water, eight-faceted, well cut, and through it is strung a blue,
> yellow, red, white, or brown thread;" so too when the Bodhisattva had
> descended into his mother's womb...she saw the Bodhisattva within
her womb
> with all his limbs, lacking no faculty.' This too I remember as a
wonderful
> and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'Seven
days after
> the birth of the Bodhisattva, his mother died and reappeared in the
Tushita
> heaven.' This too I remember as a wonderful and marvelous quality of the
> Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'other
women give
> birth after carrying the child in the womb for nine or ten months,
but not
> so the Bodhisattvas mother. The Bodhisattvas mother gave birth after
> carrying him in her womb for exactly ten months.' This too I
remember as a
> wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'other
women give
> birth seated or lying down, but not so the Bodhisattvas mother. The
> Bodhisattvas mother gave birth to him standing up.' This too I
remember as a
> wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'When the
> Bodhisattva came forth from his mother's womb, first gods received
him, then
> human beings. This too I remember as a wonderful and marvelous
quality of
> the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: When the
> Bodhisattva came forth from his mothers womb, he did not touch the
earth.
> The four young gods received him and set him before his mother saying:
> "Rejoice, oh Queen, a son of great power has been born to you." This
too I
> remember as a wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'When the
> Bodhisattva came forth from his mother's womb, he came forth unsullied,
> un-smeared by water or humors or blood or any kind of impurity,
clean and
> unsullied. Suppose there were a gem placed on Kasi cloth, then the
gem would
> not smear the cloth or the cloth the gem. Why is that, because of
the purity
> of both! So too when the Bodhisattva came forth...clean and
unsullied.' This
> too I remember as a wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'When the
> Bodhisattva came forth from his mother's womb, two jets of water
appeared to
> pour from the sky, one cool and one warm, for bathing the
Bodhisattva and
> his mother.' This too I remember as a wonderful and marvelous
quality of the
> Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: "As soon
as the
> Bodhisattva was born, he stood firmly with his feet on the ground;
then he
> took seven steps north, and with a white parasol held over him, he
surveyed
> each quarter and uttered the words of the Leader of the Herd: "I am the
> highest in the world; I am the best in the world; I am the foremost
in the
> world. This is my last birth; now there is no renewal of being for
me. This
> too I remember as a wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One.
> 
> "I heard and learned this from the Blessed One's own lips: 'When the
> Bodhisattva came forth from his mother's womb, then a great immeasurable
> light surpassing the splendor of the gods appeared in the world with its
> gods, its Maras, and its Brahmas, in this generation with its
recluses and
> Brahmins, with its princes and its people. And even in those abysmal
world
> inter-spaces of vacancy, gloom, and utter darkness, where the moon
and the
> sun, mighty and powerful as they are, cannot make their light prevail -
> there too a great immeasurable light surpassing the splendor of the gods
> appeared. And the beings born there perceived each other by that
light: "So
> other beings, indeed, have appeared here." And this
ten-thousand-fold world
> system shook and quaked and trembled, and there too a great immeasurable
> light surpassing the splendor of the gods appeared.' That when the
> Bodhisattva came forth from his mother's womb, then a great immeasurable
> light surpassing the splendor of the gods appeared... this too I
remember as
> a wonderful and marvelous quality of the Blessed One."
> 
> "That being so, �nanda, remember this too as a wonderful and marvelous
> quality of the Tath�gata: Here �nanda, for the Tath�gata feelings
are known
> as they arise, as they are present, as they disappear; perceptions
are known
> as they arise, as they are present, as they disappear; thoughts are
known as
> they arise, as they are present, as they disappear. Remember this too,
> �nanda, as a wonderful and marvelous quality of the Tath�gata."
> 
> "Venerable sir, since for the Blessed One feelings are known as they
arise,
> as they are present, as they disappear; Perceptions are known as
they arise,
> as they are present, as they disappear; Thoughts are known as they
arise, as
> they are present, as they disappear - this too I remember as a
wonderful and
> marvelous quality of the Blessed One."
> 
> That is what the venerable �nanda said. The Teacher approved. The
Bhikkhus
> were satisfied and delighted in the venerable �nanda's words.








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