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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: [SOLUTION] Re: The Problem With IPv4 & IPv6 DDNS in The
      Same Zone (Mirsad Goran Todorovac)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 22:41:51 +0200
From: Mirsad Goran Todorovac <mirsad.todoro...@alu.unizg.hr>
To: Mirsad Goran Todorovac <mtodo...@alu.hr>, dhcp-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: [SOLUTION] Re: The Problem With IPv4 & IPv6 DDNS in The
        Same Zone
Message-ID: <030f5c5f-e6ff-38d3-bfb3-31bf525e4...@alu.unizg.hr>
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Hello,

Today it worked for me to eliminate the "FAILED: Has an address record 
but no DHCID, not mine."

For documentation sake, the solution was documented here:

https://docs.bluecatnetworks.com/r/Address-Manager-Administration-Guide/DDNS-conflict-resolution/9.2.0

Have a nice day.
Thank you for your thoughts and prayers.

Kind regards,
Mirsad

On 27. 06. 2022. 12:00, Mirsad Goran Todorovac wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I saw in a solution here: https://unixforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=124745
>
> *update-conflict-detection false;*
>
> However, I am not sure this is recommended, even when I have *deny 
> client-updates;*
>
> I see both IPv4 and IPv6 Dual-Stack DHCP servers operate with 
> *ddns-update-style standard;*
>
> I would not really like to turn DHCID records update & check off, but 
> make them work in dual stack,
> as in RFC 4701? It appears if I turn the update-conflict-detection 
> off, the system would be running
> as something on power grid without a fuse, right?
>
> I see I still need more homework to do.
>
> Thank you for any idea.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> On 24.6.2022. 16:51, Mirsad Goran Todorovac wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There seems to be something odd with the DHCPv6 server. I've read RFC 
>> 4701 on DHCID (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4701) but it 
>> doesn't explain it to me.
>> (I am using BIND 9.16.27 and ISC DHCP 4.4.3 compiled with DDNS 
>> debugging.)
>>
>> DHCP log says:
>>
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Forward map from 
>> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr to 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 FAILED: Has an 
>> address record but no DHCID, not mine.
>>
>> but the `dig @efk zam.alu.hr axfr` reveals that there *is* a DHCID 
>> record for that FQDN:
>>
>> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr. 3600 IN???? DHCID 
>> AAEB5QtwrJi88z6yqBs7LCCtU8P/bMGOjg35vknusRnVHLU=
>> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr. 3600 IN???? A?????? 161.53.235.143
>>
>> The log of the session is like follows:
>>
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Relay-forward message from 
>> 2001:b68:ff:ff:a2b:0:b6:2 port 547, link address 2001:b68:2:2e00::1, 
>> peer address fe80::8d06:5ca2:84c8:d93f
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Reply NA: address 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 
>> to client with duid 00:01:00:01:23:33:10:b5:f4:93:9f:f0:a5:c3 iaid = 
>> 116691871 valid for 2592000 seconds
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(150): Allocating 
>> ddns_cb=0x561a63b6c060
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_connector: ddns_cb: 
>> 0x561a63b6c060 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_CLEANUP cur_func: <null> 
>> eresult: 0
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add1: 
>> pname:[DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr] uname:[DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr]
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f476c297338 
>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 for 
>> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr zone: zam.alu.hr.dhcid: 
>> [00:02:01:3c:9a:f7:16:3b
>> :ef:c1:8d:26:a9:03:22:8f:a6:2d:d7:db:f5:9a:be:f7:b8:69:62:52:8b:c6:96:d8:26:23:fb
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1722): Updating lease_ptr for 
>> ddns_cp=0x561a63b6c060 (addr=2001:b68:2:2e00::1095)
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Sending Relay-reply to 
>> 2001:b68:ff:ff:a2b:0:b6:2 port 547
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f476c297338, 
>> result: YXDOMAIN
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_add1: ddns_cb: 
>> 0x561a63b6c060 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN cur_func: 
>> ddns_fwd_srv_add1 eresult: 196614
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add2: 
>> pname:[DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr] uname:[DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr]
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f476c297338 
>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 for 
>> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr zone: zam.alu.hr.dhcid: 
>> [00:02:01:3c:9a:f7:16:3b:
>> ef:c1:8d:26:a9:03:22:8f:a6:2d:d7:db:f5:9a:be:f7:b8:69:62:52:8b:c6:96:d8:26:23:fb
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f476c297338, 
>> result: NXRRSET
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS:ddns_fwd_srv_add2: ddns_cb: 
>> 0x561a63b6c060 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID cur_func: 
>> ddns_fwd_srv_add2 eresult: 196616
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Forward map from 
>> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr to 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 FAILED: Has an 
>> address record but no DHCID, not mine.
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1505): Updating lease_ptr for 
>> ddns_cp=0x561a63b6c060 (addr=2001:b68:2:2e00::1095)
>> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1506): freeing ddns_cb=0x561a63b6c060
>>
>> The effect is that the IPv6 AAAA RRs are not added to the zone, 
>> making DHCPv6 work in vain. :-/
>>
>> It would be very well that this works automatically for usability, 
>> for I don't think our Professors would be willing to type /64 hex 
>> IPv6 addresses when connecting to their work computers via VPN, and 
>> maintaining this database by hand on all of our locations would 
>> simply require manpower we do not have.
>>
>> I have even tried to look up in the source code what it does, but I 
>> found no clues.
>>
>> IPv6 DDNS configuration is:
>>
>> ### DDNS Configuration
>> ddns-updates on;
>> ddns-update-style standard;
>> # ddns-dual-stack-mixed-mode true;
>> update-conflict-detection true;
>> update-optimization false;
>> deny client-updates;
>> authoritative;
>> allow unknown-clients;
>> 88,1????????? 23%
>> authoritative;
>> allow unknown-clients;
>> update-static-leases on;
>> log-facility local7;
>> ddns-domainname "local.alu.hr.";
>> ddns-rev-domainname "ip6.arpa.";
>>
>> IPv4 DDNS configuration is:
>>
>> option domain-name "alu.hr";
>> option domain-name-servers domac.alu.hr,bjesomar.srce.hr;
>>
>> ddns-updates on;
>> ddns-update-style standard;
>> update-conflict-detection true;
>> update-optimization off;
>> authoritative;
>> ignore client-updates;
>> allow unknown-clients;
>> update-static-leases on;
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mirsad
>>
>> On 6/23/2022 4:34 PM, Mirsad Goran Todorovac wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have tried "update-conflict-detection true;" on both DHCPv4 and 
>>> DHCPv6 servers, however still getting
>>>
>>> Jun 23 16:15:57 domac dhcpd: Forward map from 
>>> PC-ANDJELKA.slava.alu.hr to 193.198.186.213 FAILED: Has an address 
>>> record but no DHCID, not mine.
>>>
>>> I wondered if the Kea server could make it better, for I have 
>>> understood that the same server updates both IPv4 and IPv6 address?
>>>
>>> Mirsad
>>>
>>> On 21.6.2022. 23:09, Mirsad Goran Todorovac wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> After two weeks I've made ISC DHCPv6 running with DDNS updates this 
>>>> morning, and I feel very good about
>>>> how it works.
>>>>
>>>> (Unlike the Windows Server 2016 variant which gave me semaphore 
>>>> timeouts with far less diagnostics as clearly
>>>> being a closed system.)
>>>>
>>>> It is great that now VPN users for example can access their work 
>>>> PCs from home even without knowing their
>>>> PC's IPv6 address (and it would be error prone to tell them one 
>>>> over the phone each time DHCPv6 changes it,
>>>> even when it tries to assign the same address if possible and the 
>>>> address pool is substantial).
>>>>
>>>> My idea was to have A and AAAA records in the same zone 
>>>> local.alu.hr or slava.alu.hr, and to allow
>>>> the clients to access the hosts from a VPN connection over either 
>>>> IPv4 or IPv6 address transparently,
>>>> whichever (IPv4 or IPv6) is configured on their client PC. (Or to 
>>>> select it at runtime as in ping -4 hostname and
>>>> ping -6 hostname).
>>>>
>>>> This way the Professor or Assistant wouldn't have to even know if 
>>>> he is connecting via IPv4 or IPv6
>>>> address, we could upgrade client PCs and laptops one by one, and 
>>>> the transition would become seamless
>>>> and without an interruption of service.
>>>>
>>>> From configuration here: 
>>>> https://subatomicsolutions.org/8-freebsd/17-ipv4-ipv6-isc-dhcp-server-on-a-dual-stack-network
>>>>
>>>> I've got the DDNS configuration:
>>>>
>>>> ### DDNS Configuration
>>>> ddns-updates on;
>>>> ddns-update-style standard;
>>>> # ddns-dual-stack-mixed-mode true;
>>>> update-conflict-detection true;
>>>> update-optimization false;
>>>> deny client-updates;
>>>> authoritative;
>>>> allow unknown-clients;
>>>> update-static-leases on;
>>>> log-facility local7;
>>>> ddns-domainname "local.alu.hr.";
>>>> ddns-rev-domainname "ip6.arpa.";
>>>>
>>>> However I get the errors like this one:
>>>>
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Forward map from PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr 
>>>> to 193.198.186.212 FAILED: Has an address record but no DHCID, not 
>>>> mine.
>>>>
>>>> Here: 
>>>> https://www.isc.org/blogs/using-dual-stack-mixed-mode-dsmm-with-ddns-in-isc-dhcp-4-4/
>>>>
>>>> it says:
>>>>
>>>> "The DHCPv4 and DHCPv6 protocols are very different; the client 
>>>> requests for v4 and v6 addresses will be asynchronous and thus need 
>>>> some sort of signalling mechanism to ensure that:
>>>>
>>>>   * Two clients don?t get the same name (one with the A RR and the
>>>>     other with the AAAA)."
>>>>
>>>> But I want exactly for the A RR and AAAA RR to have the same 
>>>> hostname (PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr) because it is the same client with 
>>>> IPv4 and IPv6 address!
>>>>
>>>> I would like the PC to have something like:
>>>>
>>>> $ORIGIN slava.alu.hr.
>>>>
>>>> PC-PAVAO ?? IN??? A??? ??? ??? 193.198.186.212
>>>> PC-PAVAO??? IN??? AAAA ??? 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4
>>>>
>>>> This way our colleague could use PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr as his 
>>>> address without having to know whether he uses IPv4 or IPv6 (and it 
>>>> would take quite a conversation to explain the difference to an art 
>>>> historian for example).
>>>>
>>>> My goal is for IPv6 to be used seamlessly via FQDN names, as it is 
>>>> already been done with the server names.
>>>>
>>>> I figured out that I could use two zones like ipv4.slava.alu.hr and 
>>>> ipv6.slava.alu.hr, but I think that is awkward and the users like 
>>>> artists would never adopt that inconvenience. And the system that 
>>>> is inconvenient would probably not be used, even if it offers flow 
>>>> control, multimedia streaming to multicast addresses and lots of 
>>>> sensors, cameras and IoT devices ...
>>>>
>>>> Here is the complete transaction log for the host:
>>>>
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Relay-forward message from 
>>>> 2001:b68:ff:ff:a2b:0:a8:2 port 547, link address 
>>>> 2001:b68:2:2a00::1, peer address fe80::51e5:1df6:c605:a036
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Reply NA: address 
>>>> 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4 to client with duid 
>>>> 00:01:00:01:25:c4:85:9c:1c:a0:b8:7d:11:aa iaid = 102539448 valid 
>>>> for 2592000 seconds
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(150): Allocating 
>>>> ddns_cb=0x556354446280
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_connector: ddns_cb: 
>>>> 0x556354446280 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_CLEANUP cur_func: 
>>>> <null> eresult: 0
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add1: 
>>>> pname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] uname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr]
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338 
>>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4 for 
>>>> PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr zone: slava.alu.hr.dhcid: 
>>>> [00:02:01:de:c5:41:4f:69:a0:e4:6
>>>> 5:2a:e6:39:c5:77:2b:c6:a3:7e:2f:28:82:74:51:66:b2:f9:46:38:9e:af:bf:cc:c6 
>>>>
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1722): Updating lease_ptr for 
>>>> ddns_cp=0x556354446280 (addr=2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4)
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Sending Relay-reply to 
>>>> 2001:b68:ff:ff:a2b:0:a8:2 port 547
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338, 
>>>> result: YXDOMAIN
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_add1: ddns_cb: 
>>>> 0x556354446280 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN 
>>>> cur_func: ddns_fwd_srv_add1 eresult: 196614
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add2: 
>>>> pname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] uname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr]
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338 
>>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4 for 
>>>> PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr zone: slava.alu.hr.dhcid: 
>>>> [00:02:01:de:c5:41:4f:69:a0:e4:65
>>>> :2a:e6:39:c5:77:2b:c6:a3:7e:2f:28:82:74:51:66:b2:f9:46:38:9e:af:bf:cc:c6 
>>>>
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338, 
>>>> result: success
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS:ddns_fwd_srv_add2: ddns_cb: 
>>>> 0x556354446280 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID 
>>>> cur_func: ddns_fwd_srv_add2 eresult: 0
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Added new forward map from 
>>>> PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr to 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_ptr
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338 
>>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_PTR PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr for 
>>>> 4.c.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.a.2.2.0.0.0.8.6.b.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. 
>>>> zone: 0.0.a.2.
>>>> 2.0.0.0.8.6.b.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa.dhcid: 
>>>> [00:02:01:de:c5:41:4f:69:a0:e4:65:2a:e6:39:c5:77:2b:c6:a3:7e:2f:28:82:74:51:66:b2:f9:46:38:9e:af:bf:cc:c6
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338, 
>>>> result: success
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Added reverse map from 
>>>> 4.c.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.a.2.2.0.0.0.8.6.b.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. 
>>>> to PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1325): Updating lease_ptr for 
>>>> ddns_cp=0x556354446280 (addr=2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4)
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1326): freeing 
>>>> ddns_cb=0x556354446280
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(150): Allocating 
>>>> ddns_cb=0x5604136c60a0
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_connector: ddns_cb: 
>>>> 0x5604136c60a0 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_CLEANUP cur_func: 
>>>> <null> eresult: 0
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add1: 
>>>> pname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] uname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr]
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7fdc349e8010 
>>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN 193.198.186.212 for 
>>>> PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr zone: slava.alu.hr.dhcid: 
>>>> [00:01:01:7c:09:a5:ff:06:c6:fb:6d:76:2
>>>> 1:b8:70:29:bc:ea:c3:e4:79:35:ce:76:3d:79:32:99:5b:b9:06:20:4c:bf:38
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1722): Updating lease_ptr for 
>>>> ddns_cp=0x5604136c60a0 (addr=193.198.186.212)
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 193.198.186.212 from 
>>>> 1c:a0:b8:7d:11:aa (PC-PAVAO) via eth0
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DHCPACK on 193.198.186.212 to 
>>>> 1c:a0:b8:7d:11:aa (PC-PAVAO) via eth0
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7fdc349e8010, 
>>>> result: YXDOMAIN
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_add1: ddns_cb: 
>>>> 0x5604136c60a0 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN 
>>>> cur_func: ddns_fwd_srv_add1 eresult: 196614
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add2: 
>>>> pname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] uname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr]
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7fdc349e8010 
>>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID 193.198.186.212 for PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr 
>>>> zone: slava.alu.hr.dhcid: [00:01:01:7c:09:a5:ff:06:c6:fb:6d:76:21
>>>> :b8:70:29:bc:ea:c3:e4:79:35:ce:76:3d:79:32:99:5b:b9:06:20:4c:bf:38
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7fdc349e8010, 
>>>> result: NXRRSET
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS:ddns_fwd_srv_add2: ddns_cb: 
>>>> 0x5604136c60a0 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID 
>>>> cur_func: ddns_fwd_srv_add2 eresult: 196616
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Forward map from PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr 
>>>> to 193.198.186.212 FAILED: Has an address record but no DHCID, not 
>>>> mine.
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1505): Updating lease_ptr for 
>>>> ddns_cp=0x5604136c60a0 (addr=193.198.186.212)
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1505): 
>>>> find_lease_by_ip_addr(193.198.186.212) successful:lease=0x560413628910
>>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1506): freeing 
>>>> ddns_cb=0x5604136c60a0
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for my long email. English is not my first language, and I am 
>>>> still learning how to be concise.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Mirsad
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mirsad Goran Todorovac
>>>> CARNet sistem in?enjer
>>>> Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti
>>>> Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu
>>>> -- 
>>>> CARNet system engineer
>>>> Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts
>>>> University of Zagreb, Republic of Croatia
>>>> The European Union
>>>> tel. +385 (0)1 3711 451
>>>> mob. +385 91 57 88 355
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Mirsad Todorovac
>>> CARNet system engineer
>>> Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts
>>> University of Zagreb
>>> Republic of Croatia, the European Union
>>> --
>>> CARNet sistem in?enjer
>>> Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti
>>> Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu
>>>
>> -- 
>> Mirsad Goran Todorovac
>> CARNet sistem in?enjer
>> Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti
>> Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu
>> --
>> CARNet system engineer
>> Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts
>> University of Zagreb, Republic of Croatia
>> tel. +385 (0)1 3711 451
>> mob. +385 91 57 88 355
> -- 
> Mirsad Todorovac
> CARNet system engineer
> Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts
> University of Zagreb
> Republic of Croatia, the European Union
> --
> CARNet sistem in?enjer
> Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti
> Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu

--
Mirsad Goran Todorovac
CARNet sistem in?enjer
Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti
Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu
-- 
CARNet system engineer
Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts
University of Zagreb, Republic of Croatia
The European Union
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