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Re: [SOLUTION] Re: The Problem With IPv4 & IPv6 DDNS in The Same Zone (Mirsad Goran Todorovac) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 22:41:51 +0200 From: Mirsad Goran Todorovac <mirsad.todoro...@alu.unizg.hr> To: Mirsad Goran Todorovac <mtodo...@alu.hr>, dhcp-users@lists.isc.org Subject: Re: [SOLUTION] Re: The Problem With IPv4 & IPv6 DDNS in The Same Zone Message-ID: <030f5c5f-e6ff-38d3-bfb3-31bf525e4...@alu.unizg.hr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Hello, Today it worked for me to eliminate the "FAILED: Has an address record but no DHCID, not mine." For documentation sake, the solution was documented here: https://docs.bluecatnetworks.com/r/Address-Manager-Administration-Guide/DDNS-conflict-resolution/9.2.0 Have a nice day. Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. Kind regards, Mirsad On 27. 06. 2022. 12:00, Mirsad Goran Todorovac wrote: > > Hello, > > I saw in a solution here: https://unixforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=124745 > > *update-conflict-detection false;* > > However, I am not sure this is recommended, even when I have *deny > client-updates;* > > I see both IPv4 and IPv6 Dual-Stack DHCP servers operate with > *ddns-update-style standard;* > > I would not really like to turn DHCID records update & check off, but > make them work in dual stack, > as in RFC 4701? It appears if I turn the update-conflict-detection > off, the system would be running > as something on power grid without a fuse, right? > > I see I still need more homework to do. > > Thank you for any idea. > > Kind regards, > > On 24.6.2022. 16:51, Mirsad Goran Todorovac wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> There seems to be something odd with the DHCPv6 server. I've read RFC >> 4701 on DHCID (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4701) but it >> doesn't explain it to me. >> (I am using BIND 9.16.27 and ISC DHCP 4.4.3 compiled with DDNS >> debugging.) >> >> DHCP log says: >> >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Forward map from >> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr to 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 FAILED: Has an >> address record but no DHCID, not mine. >> >> but the `dig @efk zam.alu.hr axfr` reveals that there *is* a DHCID >> record for that FQDN: >> >> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr. 3600 IN???? DHCID >> AAEB5QtwrJi88z6yqBs7LCCtU8P/bMGOjg35vknusRnVHLU= >> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr. 3600 IN???? A?????? 161.53.235.143 >> >> The log of the session is like follows: >> >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Relay-forward message from >> 2001:b68:ff:ff:a2b:0:b6:2 port 547, link address 2001:b68:2:2e00::1, >> peer address fe80::8d06:5ca2:84c8:d93f >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Reply NA: address 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 >> to client with duid 00:01:00:01:23:33:10:b5:f4:93:9f:f0:a5:c3 iaid = >> 116691871 valid for 2592000 seconds >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(150): Allocating >> ddns_cb=0x561a63b6c060 >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_connector: ddns_cb: >> 0x561a63b6c060 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_CLEANUP cur_func: <null> >> eresult: 0 >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add1: >> pname:[DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr] uname:[DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr] >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f476c297338 >> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 for >> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr zone: zam.alu.hr.dhcid: >> [00:02:01:3c:9a:f7:16:3b >> :ef:c1:8d:26:a9:03:22:8f:a6:2d:d7:db:f5:9a:be:f7:b8:69:62:52:8b:c6:96:d8:26:23:fb >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1722): Updating lease_ptr for >> ddns_cp=0x561a63b6c060 (addr=2001:b68:2:2e00::1095) >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Sending Relay-reply to >> 2001:b68:ff:ff:a2b:0:b6:2 port 547 >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f476c297338, >> result: YXDOMAIN >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_add1: ddns_cb: >> 0x561a63b6c060 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN cur_func: >> ddns_fwd_srv_add1 eresult: 196614 >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add2: >> pname:[DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr] uname:[DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr] >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f476c297338 >> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 for >> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr zone: zam.alu.hr.dhcid: >> [00:02:01:3c:9a:f7:16:3b: >> ef:c1:8d:26:a9:03:22:8f:a6:2d:d7:db:f5:9a:be:f7:b8:69:62:52:8b:c6:96:d8:26:23:fb >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f476c297338, >> result: NXRRSET >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: DDNS:ddns_fwd_srv_add2: ddns_cb: >> 0x561a63b6c060 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID cur_func: >> ddns_fwd_srv_add2 eresult: 196616 >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: Forward map from >> DESKTOP-7BN2U5K.zam.alu.hr to 2001:b68:2:2e00::1095 FAILED: Has an >> address record but no DHCID, not mine. >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1505): Updating lease_ptr for >> ddns_cp=0x561a63b6c060 (addr=2001:b68:2:2e00::1095) >> Jun 24 16:22:09 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1506): freeing ddns_cb=0x561a63b6c060 >> >> The effect is that the IPv6 AAAA RRs are not added to the zone, >> making DHCPv6 work in vain. :-/ >> >> It would be very well that this works automatically for usability, >> for I don't think our Professors would be willing to type /64 hex >> IPv6 addresses when connecting to their work computers via VPN, and >> maintaining this database by hand on all of our locations would >> simply require manpower we do not have. >> >> I have even tried to look up in the source code what it does, but I >> found no clues. >> >> IPv6 DDNS configuration is: >> >> ### DDNS Configuration >> ddns-updates on; >> ddns-update-style standard; >> # ddns-dual-stack-mixed-mode true; >> update-conflict-detection true; >> update-optimization false; >> deny client-updates; >> authoritative; >> allow unknown-clients; >> 88,1????????? 23% >> authoritative; >> allow unknown-clients; >> update-static-leases on; >> log-facility local7; >> ddns-domainname "local.alu.hr."; >> ddns-rev-domainname "ip6.arpa."; >> >> IPv4 DDNS configuration is: >> >> option domain-name "alu.hr"; >> option domain-name-servers domac.alu.hr,bjesomar.srce.hr; >> >> ddns-updates on; >> ddns-update-style standard; >> update-conflict-detection true; >> update-optimization off; >> authoritative; >> ignore client-updates; >> allow unknown-clients; >> update-static-leases on; >> >> Thanks, >> Mirsad >> >> On 6/23/2022 4:34 PM, Mirsad Goran Todorovac wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have tried "update-conflict-detection true;" on both DHCPv4 and >>> DHCPv6 servers, however still getting >>> >>> Jun 23 16:15:57 domac dhcpd: Forward map from >>> PC-ANDJELKA.slava.alu.hr to 193.198.186.213 FAILED: Has an address >>> record but no DHCID, not mine. >>> >>> I wondered if the Kea server could make it better, for I have >>> understood that the same server updates both IPv4 and IPv6 address? >>> >>> Mirsad >>> >>> On 21.6.2022. 23:09, Mirsad Goran Todorovac wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> After two weeks I've made ISC DHCPv6 running with DDNS updates this >>>> morning, and I feel very good about >>>> how it works. >>>> >>>> (Unlike the Windows Server 2016 variant which gave me semaphore >>>> timeouts with far less diagnostics as clearly >>>> being a closed system.) >>>> >>>> It is great that now VPN users for example can access their work >>>> PCs from home even without knowing their >>>> PC's IPv6 address (and it would be error prone to tell them one >>>> over the phone each time DHCPv6 changes it, >>>> even when it tries to assign the same address if possible and the >>>> address pool is substantial). >>>> >>>> My idea was to have A and AAAA records in the same zone >>>> local.alu.hr or slava.alu.hr, and to allow >>>> the clients to access the hosts from a VPN connection over either >>>> IPv4 or IPv6 address transparently, >>>> whichever (IPv4 or IPv6) is configured on their client PC. (Or to >>>> select it at runtime as in ping -4 hostname and >>>> ping -6 hostname). >>>> >>>> This way the Professor or Assistant wouldn't have to even know if >>>> he is connecting via IPv4 or IPv6 >>>> address, we could upgrade client PCs and laptops one by one, and >>>> the transition would become seamless >>>> and without an interruption of service. >>>> >>>> From configuration here: >>>> https://subatomicsolutions.org/8-freebsd/17-ipv4-ipv6-isc-dhcp-server-on-a-dual-stack-network >>>> >>>> I've got the DDNS configuration: >>>> >>>> ### DDNS Configuration >>>> ddns-updates on; >>>> ddns-update-style standard; >>>> # ddns-dual-stack-mixed-mode true; >>>> update-conflict-detection true; >>>> update-optimization false; >>>> deny client-updates; >>>> authoritative; >>>> allow unknown-clients; >>>> update-static-leases on; >>>> log-facility local7; >>>> ddns-domainname "local.alu.hr."; >>>> ddns-rev-domainname "ip6.arpa."; >>>> >>>> However I get the errors like this one: >>>> >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Forward map from PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr >>>> to 193.198.186.212 FAILED: Has an address record but no DHCID, not >>>> mine. >>>> >>>> Here: >>>> https://www.isc.org/blogs/using-dual-stack-mixed-mode-dsmm-with-ddns-in-isc-dhcp-4-4/ >>>> >>>> it says: >>>> >>>> "The DHCPv4 and DHCPv6 protocols are very different; the client >>>> requests for v4 and v6 addresses will be asynchronous and thus need >>>> some sort of signalling mechanism to ensure that: >>>> >>>> * Two clients don?t get the same name (one with the A RR and the >>>> other with the AAAA)." >>>> >>>> But I want exactly for the A RR and AAAA RR to have the same >>>> hostname (PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr) because it is the same client with >>>> IPv4 and IPv6 address! >>>> >>>> I would like the PC to have something like: >>>> >>>> $ORIGIN slava.alu.hr. >>>> >>>> PC-PAVAO ?? IN??? A??? ??? ??? 193.198.186.212 >>>> PC-PAVAO??? IN??? AAAA ??? 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4 >>>> >>>> This way our colleague could use PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr as his >>>> address without having to know whether he uses IPv4 or IPv6 (and it >>>> would take quite a conversation to explain the difference to an art >>>> historian for example). >>>> >>>> My goal is for IPv6 to be used seamlessly via FQDN names, as it is >>>> already been done with the server names. >>>> >>>> I figured out that I could use two zones like ipv4.slava.alu.hr and >>>> ipv6.slava.alu.hr, but I think that is awkward and the users like >>>> artists would never adopt that inconvenience. And the system that >>>> is inconvenient would probably not be used, even if it offers flow >>>> control, multimedia streaming to multicast addresses and lots of >>>> sensors, cameras and IoT devices ... >>>> >>>> Here is the complete transaction log for the host: >>>> >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Relay-forward message from >>>> 2001:b68:ff:ff:a2b:0:a8:2 port 547, link address >>>> 2001:b68:2:2a00::1, peer address fe80::51e5:1df6:c605:a036 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Reply NA: address >>>> 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4 to client with duid >>>> 00:01:00:01:25:c4:85:9c:1c:a0:b8:7d:11:aa iaid = 102539448 valid >>>> for 2592000 seconds >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(150): Allocating >>>> ddns_cb=0x556354446280 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_connector: ddns_cb: >>>> 0x556354446280 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_CLEANUP cur_func: >>>> <null> eresult: 0 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add1: >>>> pname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] uname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338 >>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4 for >>>> PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr zone: slava.alu.hr.dhcid: >>>> [00:02:01:de:c5:41:4f:69:a0:e4:6 >>>> 5:2a:e6:39:c5:77:2b:c6:a3:7e:2f:28:82:74:51:66:b2:f9:46:38:9e:af:bf:cc:c6 >>>> >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1722): Updating lease_ptr for >>>> ddns_cp=0x556354446280 (addr=2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4) >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Sending Relay-reply to >>>> 2001:b68:ff:ff:a2b:0:a8:2 port 547 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338, >>>> result: YXDOMAIN >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_add1: ddns_cb: >>>> 0x556354446280 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN >>>> cur_func: ddns_fwd_srv_add1 eresult: 196614 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add2: >>>> pname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] uname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338 >>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4 for >>>> PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr zone: slava.alu.hr.dhcid: >>>> [00:02:01:de:c5:41:4f:69:a0:e4:65 >>>> :2a:e6:39:c5:77:2b:c6:a3:7e:2f:28:82:74:51:66:b2:f9:46:38:9e:af:bf:cc:c6 >>>> >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338, >>>> result: success >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS:ddns_fwd_srv_add2: ddns_cb: >>>> 0x556354446280 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID >>>> cur_func: ddns_fwd_srv_add2 eresult: 0 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Added new forward map from >>>> PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr to 2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_ptr >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338 >>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_PTR PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr for >>>> 4.c.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.a.2.2.0.0.0.8.6.b.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. >>>> zone: 0.0.a.2. >>>> 2.0.0.0.8.6.b.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa.dhcid: >>>> [00:02:01:de:c5:41:4f:69:a0:e4:65:2a:e6:39:c5:77:2b:c6:a3:7e:2f:28:82:74:51:66:b2:f9:46:38:9e:af:bf:cc:c6 >>>> >>>> >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7f4e1040a338, >>>> result: success >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Added reverse map from >>>> 4.c.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.a.2.2.0.0.0.8.6.b.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. >>>> to PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1325): Updating lease_ptr for >>>> ddns_cp=0x556354446280 (addr=2001:b68:2:2a00::10c4) >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1326): freeing >>>> ddns_cb=0x556354446280 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(150): Allocating >>>> ddns_cb=0x5604136c60a0 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_connector: ddns_cb: >>>> 0x5604136c60a0 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_CLEANUP cur_func: >>>> <null> eresult: 0 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add1: >>>> pname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] uname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7fdc349e8010 >>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN 193.198.186.212 for >>>> PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr zone: slava.alu.hr.dhcid: >>>> [00:01:01:7c:09:a5:ff:06:c6:fb:6d:76:2 >>>> 1:b8:70:29:bc:ea:c3:e4:79:35:ce:76:3d:79:32:99:5b:b9:06:20:4c:bf:38 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1722): Updating lease_ptr for >>>> ddns_cp=0x5604136c60a0 (addr=193.198.186.212) >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 193.198.186.212 from >>>> 1c:a0:b8:7d:11:aa (PC-PAVAO) via eth0 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DHCPACK on 193.198.186.212 to >>>> 1c:a0:b8:7d:11:aa (PC-PAVAO) via eth0 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7fdc349e8010, >>>> result: YXDOMAIN >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_fwd_srv_add1: ddns_cb: >>>> 0x5604136c60a0 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_NXDOMAIN >>>> cur_func: ddns_fwd_srv_add1 eresult: 196614 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: ddns_modify_fwd >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS: build_fwd_add2: >>>> pname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] uname:[PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr] >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS request: id ptr 0x7fdc349e8010 >>>> DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID 193.198.186.212 for PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr >>>> zone: slava.alu.hr.dhcid: [00:01:01:7c:09:a5:ff:06:c6:fb:6d:76:21 >>>> :b8:70:29:bc:ea:c3:e4:79:35:ce:76:3d:79:32:99:5b:b9:06:20:4c:bf:38 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS reply: id ptr 0x7fdc349e8010, >>>> result: NXRRSET >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: DDNS:ddns_fwd_srv_add2: ddns_cb: >>>> 0x5604136c60a0 flags: 50b state: DDNS_STATE_ADD_FW_YXDHCID >>>> cur_func: ddns_fwd_srv_add2 eresult: 196616 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: Forward map from PC-PAVAO.slava.alu.hr >>>> to 193.198.186.212 FAILED: Has an address record but no DHCID, not >>>> mine. >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1505): Updating lease_ptr for >>>> ddns_cp=0x5604136c60a0 (addr=193.198.186.212) >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1505): >>>> find_lease_by_ip_addr(193.198.186.212) successful:lease=0x560413628910 >>>> Jun 21 15:08:44 domac dhcpd: ddns.c(1506): freeing >>>> ddns_cb=0x5604136c60a0 >>>> >>>> Sorry for my long email. English is not my first language, and I am >>>> still learning how to be concise. >>>> >>>> Thank you very much. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Mirsad >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mirsad Goran Todorovac >>>> CARNet sistem in?enjer >>>> Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti >>>> Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu >>>> -- >>>> CARNet system engineer >>>> Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts >>>> University of Zagreb, Republic of Croatia >>>> The European Union >>>> tel. +385 (0)1 3711 451 >>>> mob. +385 91 57 88 355 >>>> >>> -- >>> Mirsad Todorovac >>> CARNet system engineer >>> Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts >>> University of Zagreb >>> Republic of Croatia, the European Union >>> -- >>> CARNet sistem in?enjer >>> Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti >>> Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu >>> >> -- >> Mirsad Goran Todorovac >> CARNet sistem in?enjer >> Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti >> Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu >> -- >> CARNet system engineer >> Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts >> University of Zagreb, Republic of Croatia >> tel. +385 (0)1 3711 451 >> mob. +385 91 57 88 355 > -- > Mirsad Todorovac > CARNet system engineer > Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts > University of Zagreb > Republic of Croatia, the European Union > -- > CARNet sistem in?enjer > Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti > Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu -- Mirsad Goran Todorovac CARNet sistem in?enjer Grafi?ki fakultet | Akademija likovnih umjetnosti Sveu?ili?te u Zagrebu -- CARNet system engineer Faculty of Graphic Arts | Academy of Fine Arts University of Zagreb, Republic of Croatia The European Union tel. +385 (0)1 3711 451 mob. +385 91 57 88 355 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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