On 20 April 2010 12:04, Jason Pickering <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Ola, > > Here is what i am trying to do. I have a paper data collection form > that i am implementing as a custom data entry screen. Pretty simple in > practice, but is laborious to implement because 1) We do not have > multidimensional/category combo type data elements here and 2) The > sort order of the data elements is all jumbled up. > > > I want to break up the dataset, which is rather large, into sections > that correspond to two separate pages of the paper aggregation form. > Why? Well, it is not entirely necessary I guess, since I am using a > custom data entry form, but some users actually prefer to use the > "default" form instead of the custom form. I want to be sure that the > data elements are ordered properly and they have appropriate sections. > Thus, I figured that the data set sections would do this for me. > Perhaps this is totally unnecessary, but it still does not mean that > this bug is not valid. The list remains totally unordered, so if > people want to have a data set section for whatever reason, it should > be presented in some form that makes sense. Seems Bob may have already > figured it out.
Thought I had but now I'm a bit confused :-( There are three things which could be sorted (and sorted with different criteria eg. by id, by name, by categorycombo, by ad-hoc sortorder) : (i) the panel of available dataelements (ii) the panel of selected dataelements (iii) the display and/or navigation order on the default form Which is it? Regards Bob > >>Why would that be important if it has nothing to do with the order in the >>form? >>And again, why use the section at all? > > Well, maybe you can enlighten us then as to the use of data set > sections? I assumed that it was for the purpose I am trying to > achieve, but perhaps not. > > If you take a look at the datasetmembers table, there is no sortorder > field, unlike DHIS1.4. DHIS 1.4 has both a sort order in the data > elements table, as well as the equivalent of the datasetmembers table. > It would just be very useful to be able to resort the data elements > (and all objects for that matter) in the browser itself. Sort by name > (Ascending, descending), sort by code, sort by sort order, etc. When I > was in Tajikistan, I thought that Murod has sent some code for server > side filtering and ordering. Not sure what happened to it, but that is > exactly what would be useful to have in these situations. > > Regards, > Jason > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Ola Hodne Titlestad > <olati...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Jason, >> >> What are you trying to achieve using the dataset sections? >> >> >> Ola Hodne Titlestad |Technical Officer| >> Health Metrics Network (HMN) | World Health Organization >> Avenue Appia 20 |1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland | Email: >> titlest...@who.int|Tel: +41 788216897 >> Website: www.healthmetricsnetwork.org >> >> Better Information. Better Decisions. Better Health. >> >> >> On 20 April 2010 11:19, Jason Pickering <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Sounds good, but I need to fix this now. Will have a look myself and >>> see what can be done in the interim. Creating a dataset section is >>> nigh impossible with several hundred elements unsorted. >>> >>> On 4/20/10, Ola Hodne Titlestad <olati...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > Note that there is a planned revamp of the whole forms/dataset model >>> > quite >>> > soon and this blueprint for 2.0.5 covers at least improved functionality >>> > in >>> > terms of defining the layout of default forms, incl. sort order: >>> > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/dhis2/+spec/improved-forms >>> > >>> > The goal is to be able to use the default tabular forms as much as >>> > possible, >>> > since that will save us all a lot of time. >>> > These default tabular forms should be (as it they are today) generated >>> > off a >>> > data set with data elements and one or more category combos, but we >>> > need to >>> > provide the form designers with more options in terms of disabling >>> > certain >>> > fields, sort order of data elements, pivoting of the table (option to >>> > have >>> > data elements on columns and categories on rows). >>> > >>> > The idea is to use custom forms (which take a lot more time to design) >>> > only >>> > when its not possible to generate the form off the data set and some >>> > additional (and not too complicated) layout choices. >>> > Most tabular forms should be possible to auto generate. >>> > >>> > Feel free to add to the blueprint. >>> > >>> > Ola Hodne Titlestad |Technical Officer| >>> > Health Metrics Network (HMN) | World Health Organization >>> > Avenue Appia 20 |1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland | Email: >>> > titlest...@who.int|Tel: >>> > +41 788216897 >>> > Website: www.healthmetricsnetwork.org >>> > >>> > Better Information. Better Decisions. Better Health. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 20 April 2010 10:31, Jason Pickering <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> This may actually be a problem due to the way that the data elements >>> >> were sorted in DHIS 1.4. 1.4 allows you to specify both a sorting >>> >> order in the dataelement table, as well as the equivalent of the >>> >> datasetmembers table. A global (system) setting allows one to chose >>> >> how they should be displayed in lists. Our data elements were sorted >>> >> correctly according to the dataset, but as far as I can tell, DHIS2 >>> >> does not support sorting of data elements by data set (at least there >>> >> is no field in datasetmembers that would support this) >>> >> >>> >> On the datasetsection page, the ordering that is presented to me, is >>> >> not in alphabetical order the SECOND time I enter the page. The first >>> >> time, everything is ordered alphabetically (user setting), the second >>> >> time around, the ordering is completely mixed up. I would expect it to >>> >> follow the user setting (alphabetical) but this does not seem to be >>> >> the case. >>> >> >>> >> I agree that it should probably be a system setting, similar to >>> >> DHIS1.4. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Ola Hodne Titlestad >>> >> <olati...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> > Hi, >>> >> > >>> >> > My understanding of this is that you can apply the system wide custom >>> >> sort >>> >> > order to data elements in a data set section. >>> >> > >>> >> > In user settings you can set the sort order to be custom and then go >>> >> > to >>> >> > Maintenance>Data Elements and sort the elements in the full list >>> >> > there. >>> >> > >>> >> > Then the data elements in the data set section (or data set) will be >>> >> sorted >>> >> > according to their global sort order when listed in a default data >>> >> > entry >>> >> > form. >>> >> > >>> >> > My only concern with this is that the sort order is a user setting >>> >> > and >>> >> not a >>> >> > system setting so different users doing data entry might experience >>> >> > different sort order, which may not be desired in data entry forms. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Ola Hodne Titlestad |Technical Officer| >>> >> > Health Metrics Network (HMN) | World Health Organization >>> >> > Avenue Appia 20 |1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland | Email: >>> >> > titlest...@who.int|Tel: +41 788216897 >>> >> > Website: www.healthmetricsnetwork.org >>> >> > >>> >> > Better Information. Better Decisions. Better Health. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On 20 April 2010 10:08, Hieu Dang Duy <hieu.hispviet...@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Dear Jason, >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Actually, this ordering is completely belongs to your action during >>> >> >> on >>> >> >> sorting data elements in the selected list. >>> >> >> For example; >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Assuming that, there are five data elements such as: A, B, C, D and >>> >> >> E >>> >> >> in >>> >> >> the available list. Then, if select each element following the >>> >> >> ordering >>> >> >> likes B, D, A, C in the selected list. So after coming back to edit >>> >> >> that >>> >> >> data section you will see the selected list of this one, which is >>> >> >> not >>> >> >> ordered alphabetically in expecting on. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, jason.p.pickering >>> >> >> <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Public bug reported: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> When creating a data set section, there is no logical ordering >>> >> >>> applied >>> >> >>> to the data elements. The first time I created the dataset section, >>> >> they >>> >> >>> appeared to be ordered alphabetically. When I saved and edited the >>> >> >>> dataset again, the ordering is completely jumbled up. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ** Affects: dhis2 >>> >> >>> Importance: Undecided >>> >> >>> Status: New >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> -- >>> >> >>> dataset-section-no-sorting >>> >> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/567080 >>> >> >>> You received this bug notification because you are a member of DHIS >>> >> >>> 2 >>> >> >>> developers, which is subscribed to DHIS. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Status in DHIS 2 - District Health Information Software: New >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Bug description: >>> >> >>> When creating a data set section, there is no logical ordering >>> >> >>> applied >>> >> to >>> >> >>> the data elements. The first time I created the dataset section, >>> >> >>> they >>> >> >>> appeared to be ordered alphabetically. When I saved and edited the >>> >> dataset >>> >> >>> again, the ordering is completely jumbled up. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> Mailing list: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs<https://launchpad.net/%7Edhis2-devs> >>> >> >>> Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net >>> >> >>> Unsubscribe : >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs<https://launchpad.net/%7Edhis2-devs> >>> >> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> -- >>> >> >> Hieu.HISPVietnam >>> >> >> Good Health ! >>> >> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> Mailing list: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs<https://launchpad.net/%7Edhis2-devs> >>> >> >> Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net >>> >> >> Unsubscribe : >>> >> >> >>> >> >> https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs<https://launchpad.net/%7Edhis2-devs> >>> >> >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> -- >>> >> Jason P. 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