wot's an SSB? On 23 April 2010 12:30, Knut Staring <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Saptarshi Purkayastha > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I believe making it cross-browser is better than packaging a browser. Didn't >> EU tell MS that browser bundling by a majority player is wrong. ;) > > Nice point. But a SSB is more like a separate application - removes > the clutter, user toolbars and plugins, back button etc. On a small > screen, the wasted real estate of the top toolbar space seriously > affects the usability of DHIS2. An SSB will make it more similar to > 1.4 and other desktop apps. > > In Chrome, just click the page icon in the upper right corner and > select "Create application shortcuts..." to see what I mean. > > And of course, optionally supplying an (optional) modern browser does > not contradict efforts at supporting some of the horrible old ones ;-) > > Knut > > >> Sent from my BlackBerry® >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jason Pickering <[email protected]> >> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:37:53 >> To: Bob Jolliffe<[email protected]> >> Cc: DHIS 2 developers<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] "Site Specific Browser" included with DHIS2 Live? >> >> Yeah, the problem is, how do you know where Chrome/FireFox/etc is? >> Sounds like we need to read the registry, which sounds even more >> complicated. >> >> My preference would be as follows. >> >> 1) Test for the existence of a DHIS2_BROWSER variable. . This will >> allow packagers to determine which browser the user should use and or >> advanced users to set the variable on their own if they are so >> inclined to do so. If it exists, try and use this >> 2) Test for the existence of the /ssb/firefox.exe file. If it exists, use >> this. >> 3) If none of that works, just open the default browser. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I've got an even simpler suggestion. Why not get the tray app to >>> simply try and exec "firefox" first (in the hope that it is installed >>> and in the path). If that fails it can try chrome and if that fails >>> open with default browser. >>> >>> From the packaging perspective (and I think packaging is a slightly >>> different concern) , if a packager wants to build a >>> portable-firefox-included version then just be sure that the installer >>> sets the path correctly. I think personally my preference would be to >>> simply include a standard (up to date) firefox install package on the >>> same medium as the dhis2-live. But I do understand the concern about >>> users inadvertently having their default browser switched because they >>> get intimidated by the dialog. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2010 09:55, Ola Hodne Titlestad <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I was more thing of the unzip and run package. >>>> >>>> If there is a folder DHIS2Live/firefox-portable/ I thought we could simply >>>> run DHIS in this specific browser with a command on the form: >>>> "portable-firefox/firefox.exe http://localhost:8080/dhis"; >>>> >>>> Ola >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 April 2010 10:48, Jason Pickering <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Including the browser as part of the install is trivial. Making it >>>>> launch, without making it the default browser, is the issue really we >>>>> are discussing and that will require modification to the DHIS2 tray >>>>> app. >>>>> >>>>> I have currently three different installers in trunk. 1) Windows >>>>> bare-bones installer that just installs H2 and DHIS2. 2) Windows >>>>> installer with the H2 Sierra Leone DB 3) A console based installer for >>>>> Linux. It would be simple enough to produce a fourth, and include a >>>>> browser of choice. Still working on the postgres installer, but for >>>>> Zambia, I was planning on distributing FireFox/Opera/Chrome or >>>>> whatever the devs say is best along with the installer. I did not >>>>> really want to make this browser the default, unless the user did this >>>>> theirselves, which most browsers will try and do anyway, which is a >>>>> bit of a problem. If this feature of "Me first, Me first!" could be >>>>> disabled for the SSB, then it sounds like a very good plan to me. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> JP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Ola Hodne Titlestad >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > I would still like us to pursue the idea of distributing a portable >>>>> > browser >>>>> > with DHIS2 live to make it easier to get started with DHIS. >>>>> > At least check whether this is doable or not. >>>>> > >>>>> > This would cater for DHIS training and the "I want to see what this is" >>>>> > scenarios when the users are offline or on poor connections making >>>>> > online >>>>> > demos difficult to use. >>>>> > >>>>> > The installer/production scenario is a bit different I think, but also >>>>> > very >>>>> > important. >>>>> > >>>>> > Ola Hodne Titlestad |Technical Officer| >>>>> > Health Metrics Network (HMN) | World Health Organization >>>>> > Avenue Appia 20 |1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland | Email: >>>>> > [email protected]|Tel: +41 788216897 >>>>> > Website: www.healthmetricsnetwork.org >>>>> > >>>>> > Better Information. Better Decisions. Better Health. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 23 April 2010 10:31, Jason Pickering <[email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> My suggestion would be to keep it very simple. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> If the environment variable exists, and is of the form "C:\program >>>>> >> files\dhis2\ssb\firefox.exe" then launch it. This would mean that this >>>>> >> would only cater to the situation where someone has installed the >>>>> >> program with the installer (which will likely be the case for many >>>>> >> production installations) but not always. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Otherwise, just fall back and do what is already in the code. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > On 23 April 2010 09:04, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >> On 23 April 2010 08:54, Jason Pickering >>>>> >> >> <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> I somewhat agree with Bob, but I also see good reasons why >>>>> >> >>> packaging a >>>>> >> >>> browser is a good idea. There seems to be pretty wide variation >>>>> >> >>> between different browsers, and while it is a good idea to support >>>>> >> >>> many different ones, it is also a lot of work. If we could focus on >>>>> >> >>> being sure that all the browser-related bugs are not present, for >>>>> >> >>> instance in Chrome or Firefox, for a particular release, this >>>>> >> >>> would >>>>> >> >>> ensure that the app is going to work properly in a production >>>>> >> >>> environment. I have seen a lot of problems in the field with >>>>> >> >>> people >>>>> >> >>> installing toolbars, browser hijacking, etc that really is going to >>>>> >> >>> complicate deployments unnecessarily. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> After looking at the code, it seems that setting an environment >>>>> >> >>> variable might be the best solution, perhaps. >>>>> >> >>> This could be set as part of the installation process. If the >>>>> >> >>> environment variable exists (DHIS2_BROWSER) for example, then it >>>>> >> >>> would >>>>> >> >>> attempt to open up DHIS2 with this. Otherwise, it would default to >>>>> >> >>> the >>>>> >> >>> current Desktop.getDesktop().browse( URI.create (getUrl() ) ) ); >>>>> >> >>> which >>>>> >> >>> will simply launch the default browser. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I guess this could work with an exec. I'll take a look. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Though I am reluctant to depend on the environment variable for the >>>>> >> > out-of-the-box experience. The nice thing about dhis-live is that >>>>> >> > you >>>>> >> > can drop it in and run it. It is this zero-install-fiddling which >>>>> >> > people like. Setting environment variables is the next level of >>>>> >> > customisation and sophistication for users. Other possibilities: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > (i) check for the existence of a "portable-firefox" folder. If >>>>> >> > available use that. >>>>> >> > (ii) open a dialog on first invocation requesting users to pick a >>>>> >> > browser (I have no idea at this stage how to list them). But that >>>>> >> > choice would have to be persisted somehow. >>>>> >> > (iii) .... ? >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Of course, this could be made as an option of the installer, >>>>> >> >>> whether >>>>> >> >>> to install one of these site-specific browsers or not, but I think >>>>> >> >>> the >>>>> >> >>> advantages outweigh the disadvantages. It is certainly worth >>>>> >> >>> testing I >>>>> >> >>> think. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Regards, >>>>> >> >>> Jason >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Ola Hodne Titlestad >>>>> >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>> On 22 April 2010 23:28, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 22 April 2010 19:35, Jason Pickering >>>>> >> >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> > I think it should probably be a blueprint and I think it is a >>>>> >> >>>>> > good >>>>> >> >>>>> > idea. >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > It is certainly a problem on many machines I have encounterd >>>>> >> >>>>> > in >>>>> >> >>>>> > the >>>>> >> >>>>> > field. We need to install FireFox, Chrome, Opera or something, >>>>> >> >>>>> > and >>>>> >> >>>>> > ideally make it the default browser. This seems to be a good >>>>> >> >>>>> > idea >>>>> >> >>>>> > to >>>>> >> >>>>> > me, but can seem a bit drastic to some users. Ideally, the >>>>> >> >>>>> > installer >>>>> >> >>>>> > would come prepackaged with this browser. When DHI2 Live is >>>>> >> >>>>> > launched, >>>>> >> >>>>> > instead of making a call to the default browser (which in most >>>>> >> >>>>> > cases >>>>> >> >>>>> > in IE), assuming that this was installed as part of a special >>>>> >> >>>>> > live >>>>> >> >>>>> > package, then this browser would get opened instead, thereby >>>>> >> >>>>> > launching >>>>> >> >>>>> > DHIS2. I am not so sure about the DHIS2 live part, as it simply >>>>> >> >>>>> > launches the default browser. Bob? >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> I don't think its very easy to coax dhis2-live to open anything >>>>> >> >>>>> besides the default browser. Not that its impossible, but >>>>> >> >>>>> probably >>>>> >> >>>>> very messy. I'm also not sure we want to get into the browser >>>>> >> >>>>> packaging business. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> Could the portable firefox package be of any help here? We could >>>>> >> >>>> put >>>>> >> >>>> it in a >>>>> >> >>>> standard location DHIS2Live/firefox/ and start it from there? I >>>>> >> >>>> have >>>>> >> >>>> used it >>>>> >> >>>> for the PHIT and DHIS seems to run fine there. It is set up with >>>>> >> >>>> all >>>>> >> >>>> relative paths which should make it easier to distribute as no >>>>> >> >>>> installation >>>>> >> >>>> is needed. >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> Ola >>>>> >> >>>> -------- >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Knut Staring >>>>> >> >>>>> > <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Given that DHIS2 runs best in Chrome (especially the Mapping >>>>> >> >>>>> >> module), >>>>> >> >>>>> >> and also ok in Firefox, it might be a good idea to make sure >>>>> >> >>>>> >> people >>>>> >> >>>>> >> have access to one of these browsers. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> One way to do that is to package things with Prism (Firefox) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> or >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Chrome >>>>> >> >>>>> >> (or Fluid for Mac http://fluidapp.com/) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1842277/chrome-application-shortcuts-mozilla-prism-installer >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> What do you guys think? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Knut >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Post to : [email protected] >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >>>>> >> >>>>> >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > -- >>>>> >> >>>>> > -- >>>>> >> >>>>> > Jason P. 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Pickering >>>>> >> >>> email: [email protected] >>>>> >> >>> tel:+260968395190 >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Jason P. Pickering >>>>> >> email: [email protected] >>>>> >> tel:+260968395190 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Jason P. Pickering >>>>> email: [email protected] >>>>> tel:+260968395190 >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Jason P. 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