Particularly in a conflict situation, I can't imagine having coordinates and time-stamps of health worker locations, in a database would be a good thing if it was compromised?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:23 AM, David Hagan <david.ha...@sagehagan.com> wrote: > Great discussion, > > I understand the sentiments being expressed. A quick note that my examples > were were just demonstrating potential tracking scenarios that I am > personally aware of (not currently in DHS2) > > The ‘option’ to be able to turn this feature on, as an end-user > capability, would perhaps be a useful compromise - give the power to the > user of the device. That’s the request we’ve had at least. > > David > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:04 AM Jason Pickering < > jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, it seems we are from David's suggestion unless I am >> misunderstanding the requirement >> >> >> - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile >> workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, streets, >> homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an >> automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event survey >> form, fulfils that monitoring purpose >> - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking at >> this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS >> coordinates every 30 minutes or so >> >> I think people will probably do this anyway, but I agree with Terje, that >> this is not something that should be part of the core tools distributed by >> the core dev team. If people want to do it, then they will probably figure >> out a way to do it, but I would not want to install such an app on my own >> device. Its bad enough as it is without having to worry about DHIS2 >> continuously tracking you. >> >> Regards, >> Jason >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Knut Staring <knu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> But you could give users the option of recording event locations >>> automatically for a while for convenience, as Bram says. A user could then >>> switch this feature on or off. >>> >>> We are not talking about continous tracking of movement, no location >>> would be recorded unless the users explicitly records an event. >>> >>> Knut >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Terje Aksel Sanner <tasan...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In general it is not in our spirit to develop tools that easily lend >>>> themselves to task force surveillance. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Jason Pickering < >>>> jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Moreover, it has privacy implications, and obviously, people would >>>>> need to be informed they are being tracked. I don't like it and think it >>>>> should require the explicit action of the user. >>>>> >>>>> Having said all of that, we have also implemented the "Coordinate" >>>>> data value type, which is also meant to be able to allow recording of >>>>> coordinate data in aggregate data sets (possibly tracker as well) which >>>>> might be a distinct coordinate from the one of the event. I do not think >>>>> it >>>>> has been implemented as a feature in any of the clients at the moment, but >>>>> it has been a requested feature to do this from some people. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Rangarirai Matavire < >>>>> matavi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Seem I just waded into a storm. Notwithstanding, I stand unconvinced >>>>>> about the necessity of such a feature. I do not think the aim was ever to >>>>>> track healthworker locations. It was to track disease incidents. I do not >>>>>> think anyone can provide evidence that such a feature has improved health >>>>>> work. Knowing where someone is at a point in time is definitely distinct >>>>>> from ensuring a service is provided adequately. I think there are better >>>>>> ways. >>>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 15:55, "David Hagan" <david.ha...@sagehagan.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Ranga, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can think of a multitude of reasons, here’s a couple: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile >>>>>>> workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, >>>>>>> streets, >>>>>>> homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an >>>>>>> automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event >>>>>>> survey >>>>>>> form, fulfils that monitoring purpose >>>>>>> - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking >>>>>>> at this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS >>>>>>> coordinates every 30 minutes or so >>>>>>> - Just to save time for busy users who have queues of patients >>>>>>> - …. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would also ask this functionality (a configuration option) to >>>>>>> auto-capture reporting date/time as well! In one of our scenarios … >>>>>>> data is >>>>>>> only ever entered ‘live’ - so being able to capture both of these fields >>>>>>> automatically saves time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM Rangarirai Matavire < >>>>>>> matavi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> Why would that be necessary if when capturing data a user can >>>>>>>> simply press a button to get co-ordinates? >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Ranga >>>>>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 14:56, "David Hagan" <david.ha...@sagehagan.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I second the request! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our users would also like that ability for the Android Event >>>>>>>>> Capture and Tracker Capture Apps (perhaps a configuration setting we >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> specify?) to allow the auto-capture of GPS coordinates. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:47 PM Erling Fjeldstad <erl...@dhis2.org> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Simon, >>>>>>>>>> The Android Event Capture app and Android Tracker Capture app >>>>>>>>>> allows you to collect GPS coordinates. However, this is not >>>>>>>>>> automatically, >>>>>>>>>> the users needs to manually press the 'coordinate button' and then >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Android system fetches your GPS coordinates. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Erling - DHIS2 Android Team >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Simon Muyambo < >>>>>>>>>> smmuya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I want users to auto load coordinates when capturing data on >>>>>>>>>>> location using tablets. Anyone know if there is suitable app or set >>>>>>>>>>> up to >>>>>>>>>>> achieve this? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Regards* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Simon Muyambo* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>>>>>>>>>> virus signature database 13156 (20160310) __________ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>>> Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>> Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>> Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>> Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jason P. 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