Hi, To avoid confusion, probably better we rename AGE value type to DOB - this, I believe, should always be calculated against today.
And for your usecases, what you need is not really DOB or AGE as we know is conventionally ... rather just a number that you can store with "age" value. -- Abyot A. Gizaw. Senior Engineer, DHIS2 University of Oslo http://www.dhis2.org On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:14 PM, TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir <timi...@who.int> wrote: > Thanks very much Lise, you described my concerns very well (although I had > to stop to work out what DE and PI meant!). > > Cheers, > > Hazim > > > > *From:* GROUT, Lise > *Sent:* 11 October 2017 17:09 > *To:* Abyot Asalefew Gizaw; TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir > *Cc:* dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net > > *Subject:* RE: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the > time of diagnosis when date of birth is unknown > > > > Dear all, > > > > I tested the Age-type date element which is good to capture the > approximate age of the patient. But this is a dynamic variable, in the > sense that every day, the patient will be older of one day. Obviously, this > is a very good attribute for the registration for example in tracker, in > order to be able to look for a patient with the age variable, even if s/he > shows up months or years later. > > > > But it is also important for us to capture the age at the moment of > clinical examination/admission/presentation (whatever the name you give > it) and that this variable is static (it won’t change over time). And for > this, the age-type DE is therefore not helpful. > > > > We currently have “Date of birth” which is date-type and “Age in years” > which is number-type DE, and we would actually like to have a PI “Age at > clinical examination” which is calculated with “DOB” if available or “Age > in years” if not available (not configured properly yet). Probably, > ideally, the PI “Age at clinical examination” should be calculated either > on the “DOB” DE or in the approximative DOB provided through the Age-type > DE, but I don’t know if this is possible. (Don’t know if I make sense). > > > > Best > > Lise. > > > > *From:* Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+groutl=who.int@lists. > launchpad.net <dhis2-users-bounces+groutl=who....@lists.launchpad.net>] *On > Behalf Of *Abyot Asalefew Gizaw > *Sent:* 11 October 2017 16:46 > *To:* TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir > *Cc:* dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net > *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the > time of diagnosis when date of birth is unknown > > > > Hi, > > > > We will try to update the documentation :) > > > > As to the issue you refereed, it is a new one and most of us here haven't > looked into it before... Nonetheless, looking into the requirement > mentioned there - I think introducing the concept of age there will > probably over complicate things. What is required seems to capture a static > figure - and defining a simple data element of type number will handle that. > > > -- > > Abyot A. Gizaw. > > Senior Engineer, DHIS2 > > University of Oslo > > http://www.dhis2.org > > > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM, TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir <timi...@who.int> > wrote: > > Hi Abyot, > > > > Interesting, thanks. I wasn’t aware of the value type called AGE within > DHIS2. I tried to find some documentation for this at > https://www.dhis2.org/documentation but couldn't see anything. I only > found references to it on Github and also on the 2.26 release notes ( > https://www.dhis2.org/226). It doesn't explain what to do if you only > know approximate age in years, not whether the reference date is the data > entry date or the report/event/diagnosis date (if data entry is post hoc). > I see this is already reported as a request in JIRA ( > https://jira.dhis2.org/browse/DHIS2-2345). > > > > Cheers, > > Hazim > > > > > > > > *From:* Abyot Asalefew Gizaw [mailto:ab...@dhis2.org] > *Sent:* 11 October 2017 15:02 > *To:* TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir > *Cc:* Edward Robinson; dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net > *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the > time of diagnosis when date of birth is unknown > > > > Hi, > > > > We don't capture the additional data if DOB is approximated or not... > > > > Otherwise, we have a value type called AGE, then during data entry a > special input field is rendered, see below > > > > [image: Inline image 1] > > > Users are free to fill any or combination of these and behind the scene > the system calculates/updates each field and in the end DOB is saved. > > > > -- > > Abyot A. Gizaw. > > Senior Engineer, DHIS2 > > University of Oslo > > http://www.dhis2.org > > > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:21 PM, TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir <timi...@who.int> > wrote: > > Hi Ed, > > Thanks very much, that makes sense. I also came across this yesterday > which seems similar to what you have done in the past (see under > "Collection and usage attributes"): http://meteor.aihw.gov.au/ > content/index.phtml/itemId/287007 > > Cheers, > Hazim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edward Robinson [mailto:erobin...@projectbalance.com] > Sent: 11 October 2017 13:40 > To: TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir; dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: RE: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the time > of diagnosis when date of birth is unknown > > What we've done in the past with other systems is have a field for > estimated age at time of registration - only completed if the DOB is not > known. DOB is then auto-populated based on the entered age, and an > additional YES/NO field is updated to note that the DOB is estimated and > not exact. > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dhis2-users [mailto:dhis2-users-bounces+erobinson= > projectbalance....@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of TIMIMI, Hazim Bakir > Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2017 5:01 PM > To: dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: [Dhis2-users] Standard approach for recording age at the time of > diagnosis when date of birth is unknown > > Is there a standard approach commonly in use to handle ages when the exact > date of birth of a patient is unknown? I can think of two ways -- either > using a surrogate (approximate) date of birth that tallies with a person's > reported age, or have an extra data element for age at time of diagnosis to > be used only if date of birth is unknown. Obviously, if date of birth is > known then age is calculated automatically. > > I would like to know what people have been using and have seen to be > working in practice (and not necessarily just in DHIS2). > > Thanks! > > Hazim > ….. > Hazim Timimi > Data Manager, Tuberculosis Monitoring and Evaluation, World Health > Organization, Geneva, Switzerland Tel : +41 22 791 3468 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users > Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users > Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > >
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