On 25.09.2007 14:51, Sameer Sahasrabuddhe wrote: > On 9/22/07, Hans Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 22.09.2007 00:42, Ondrej Mikle wrote: >>> I send a patch for the Delete key behavior in Dia. It is remapped to >>> Ctrl+Delete (or remap it some other suitable shortcut), since a lot of >>> people find it annoying that pressing Delete while editing text deletes >>> the object. >>> >> Indeed differnt people have tried to fix this problem ;) In Dia's stone age >> deleting objects was bound to Ctrl+D for exactly this reason. Than the >> more natural Delete key was used giving us the described regression. >> But falling back to some other 'random' hotkey for deleting objects is not >> the right solution, just a workaround. > > I hate to be "sez who" guy on this, but why is Delete considered "more > natural"? > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97899 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105081
Looks like at least Lars and Alan are saying so. And even I tend to agree having about four releases with Delete bound to delete objects. BTW: next time instead of "sez who" just do search bugzilla youself ;) [ product: dia, every status, summary contains 'Delete' ] Another good place to look at is the Gnome Human Interface Guideline: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/input-keyboard.html#standard-shortcuts "Delete :: Del :: Delete selection" >> The real fix would be some managment of text edit mode, where all the >> usuful keys (not only Delete but also cursor keys, Home, End) are bound to >> text editing as one is used by other programs. > > It might be too hasty to dismiss remapping to a different key as just > a workaround. Nothing hasty here. See: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115549 > It could be considered as a very important usability > fix, unless there is a tangible time frame within which the work on > text edit mode will fix this particular usability pain. > >>> Those are just minor nuisances, but fixing the delete key behavior makes >>> working with Dia much more comfortable. > > I believe there are far too many users who would agree with this statement. > I don't wanna believe, I wanna know ;) >> Although I'm sometimes bitten by deleting the whole object although I only >> wanted to edit text for me deleting objects via Ctrl+Delete wouldt take >> away more comfort than making the small text editing improvement. > > Given the previous paragraph, I don't agree that Ctrl+Delete or Ctrl+D > would take away comfort. Why not just bind it to ctrl+alt+backspace for Linux and ctrl+alt+delete for windoze? > I am willing to bet that a huge majority of > Dia users have been bitten by this bug and find it uncomfortable every > single time they use Dia. It also seems natural to me that diagrams > that in fact don't contain text objects are very very rare, and also > the users who handle such diagrams. > Guessing, just guessing. The dups on bug #115549 are not *that* often. > I suggest that mapping "Ctrl+D" to delete objects should be seriously > considered as an interim fix. Before suggesting a new hotkey please try at first what it currently does. And propose a new hotkey for that and so on ;) > Given the cut-copy-paste triplet of > shortcuts, "Ctrl+D" is not a big thing to learn, and it solves a very > important user discomfort without waiting for some larger fix. > Are you sure this is a larger fix? Maybe there are low hanging fruits if one does not shoot for the all new, all covering new text editing system? Hans -------- Hans "at" Breuer "dot" Org ----------- Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. -- Dilbert _______________________________________________ Dia-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
