Dear A.D. Karve,

I am not sure I follow your point? 

As part of my degree we studied cotton production in the Mississippi River 
Delta region of the US,
wheat production in the Mid West US and truck farming in California US.

Many of the really old plantations and farms kept very complete production 
records. 
Unfortunately they were not very smart farmers.
They planted the same crop for decades with out adding anything to the soil.
There crop yields dropped miserably each year until the river would flood.
After the soil dried out and farming could resume and the crop yields rose back 
to previous levels.

The Wheat farmers in the Mid West  and the truck farmers  in California had 
similar problems but there were no floods so NPK was 
added in later years and yields returned.

Old dried Samples of the wheat and produce were found stored that dated back 60 
to 100 years.
When the old samples of produce were analyzed and compared to modern samples 
they had marked differences in the 
amounts of  the trace minerals they contained. 

The old samples had higher levels of almost all trace minerals than there 
modern counterparts.
Some of the trace minerals were totally absent in the new samples of wheat and 
vegetables.

Soil samples of the areas where the food samples were taken showed the minerals 
were depleted from the soil in the root 
zone of the crops. 

In some deeper samples the concentrations of the trace minerals improved but 
they were unreachable by the plants.

Is your point that the minerals necessary to grow the plants are replenished 
through natural chemical and biological actions
faster than the plants remove them?

I have a theory that the food we now eat is missing many of the nutrients that 
were in food eaten by our progenitors.
As a result of the missing nutrients we are now less healthy and prone to 
exhibit a number of health problems.

If the soil where your "organic manure" is obtained has been depleted of the 
trace minerals it may aide plant growth but
not the plants nutritional value.

The areas we applied AD byproducts showed improvement to the soil trace 
minerals in the plants over time.
I did not have the time money or patients to determine why the improvement took 
place only that it does happened.

It may be the result of a new bio-chemical processes beginning in the soil 
introduced from the AD or from AD byproducts
themselves.

Brent


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand Karve 
  To: For Discussion of Anaerobic Digestion 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 8:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digestion] Digestate as fertilizer.


  Dear List,
   The fact that the soil micro-organisms contribute to soil fertility is 
accepted by all agricultural scientists. Logic tells us that high calorie, 
non-composted organic matter would serve the microbes best as nutrition. From 
this point of view, we conducted experiments and found that plain sugar or 
pulped green leaves were excellent as soil amendments. The rates of application 
were 25 kg dry matter per ha. Capillary water in the soil always has soil 
minerals dissolved in it. When one applies a carbon source to the soil, the 
microbes absorb the necessary soil minerals from the capillary water. There is 
no need to add minerals through the organic matter. That is why even plain 
sugar causes soil microbes to increase their numbers. The concentration of 
minerals in the capillary water is at a dynamic equilibrium. If a mineral 
molecule is removed from the capillary water by a microbe, it is replaced by a 
molecule going into solution from the un-dissolved pool of minerals in the 
soil. We have about 30 km of earth's crust under our feet. New soil is being 
formed every day. Only 5% of the dry weight of plants is constituted by 
minerals. Therefore there is an unlimited supply of minerals in the soil. Don't 
think that it would ever get exhausted by agriculture. And when you apply an 
organic manure to the soil, don't calculate the NPK in it but count the 
nutritional calories in it. 
  Yours
  A.D.Karve 
     
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