On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:51:57 +0100, Jonathan M Davis <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Friday, June 14, 2013 10:05:27 Peter Alexander wrote:
On Friday, 14 June 2013 at 07:40:42 UTC, Don wrote:
> On Friday, 14 June 2013 at 06:49:08 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> I agree. But he said at the end of the talk that he didn't
>> want codecompletion refactoring or anything like that. Now he
>> said he just wants something better than Notepad that is
>> stable.
>
> I don't know what's going on here, somehow people are
> consistently misunderstanding me.
>
> The question in the talk was along the lines of "what's wrong
> with D's IDEs". And people expected the problem was that they
> don't have good refactoring support or something. But the
>
> problem is much more severe:
> Mono-D is not as good as Notepad.
> EclipseD is not as good as Notepad.
>
> Because they are unstable.
What we're not understanding is that, if you don't want
refactoring, or intellisense, or any of that stuff then why not
just use notepad, emacs, vim etc.? Surely those are stable?
That's why people were asking what you wanted from the IDE, so
that they could suggest stable editors that had those features.
If you don't want lots of features then Mono-D and EclipseD are
not good choices.
I don't think that it's that he doesn't want them. It's that they don't
matter
until the IDE is stable enough that it doesn't crash. If it crashes, it
doesn't matter what else it can do. But once it's stable enough that it
doesn't crash and you can actually use it, _then_ you can discuss what
other
cool features it should have. Until then, it's worse than notepad.
I understood (t)his point the first time he made it.
Lets assume we're in the development team for Notepad and we're trying to
make it into the best D IDE in town. Lets assume stability is a solved
problem. What's the next feature we work on?
That's the Q we/I want answered so someone out there on the ether can
either suggest an editor that meets the criteria or someone will be
inspired to write one.
R
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