On Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 04:06:13 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
On 03/10/2018 05:47 AM, Dylan Graham wrote:
On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:05:49 UTC, rumbu wrote:
According to the State of D Survey, 71% of the respondents
don't care about betterC. Why is betterC on the priority list?
Yeah. Why should D worry about tying itself into C when it
can't even interface with itself through DLLs?
First of all, betterC is about far more than interfacing with
C. In fact, interop with C isn't really what betterC is about
at all - that's a separate aspect of the language. (And those
C/C++ users who still haven't come to D - for many of them the
holdout is *because* of the issues betterC aims to address.
Make no mistake, for all the stockholm syndrome in the C and
C++ worlds, there *are* a lot people openly wanting to jump
ship but don't have a sufficient option yet. Heck, *I'm* a
C/C++ -> D convert.)
But more importantly:
The D language itself is specifically designed and intended to
be multi-purpose. Because of that, D users (and potential D
users) are *highly* diverse. Everybody here has their own
use-cases, their own needs and priorities, and their own list
of things they want fixed yesterday.
In a group this diverse, there just simply *isn't* much on the
D wishlist that's crucially important to a *majority*, because
we all need completely different things.
Personally, better DLL support have little to no impact on me.
Obviously it does for you, and I sympathise. Some of the things
most important to me for D to improve you probably wouldn't
care one bit about - and that's ok. We work on different sorts
of things.
Improved betterC is something I would find very nice if I ever
have time or opportunity to get back into embedded software.
But outside of that, yea, it doesn't impact me much more than
it does for you.
But here's the rub: In this crowd here, probably far more than
most languages, we all have such wildly varying needs that 29%
*is* what qualifies as significant around here. Most wishlist
items are going to have similarly non-majority numbers. And
they have to pick *something* to focus on. Luckily, as the
vision document clearly states, there are *several* such
"somethings" the dlang foundation is committing to working on.
The D language is a marvel. It just nice using it. It is a
superior language.
It is pure joy programming in D. D language is mature enough to
write up to 90% of all form of application. The problem I have
seen thus far is the tools. The tools don't work especially on
Windows.
The only working ide on Windows is visual-D but tied to visual
studio. Personally don't like visual studio, it look to old for
my likely. The plugin for eclipse,visual studio code and intellij
are really lacking behind.
I having trying to setup code-d up in vs code for more than six
months now to get auto completion but to no success. I have spent
countless hours on the internet search for a solution but did not
find any. I just get all kinds of errors. My next plane is to by
a Linux system. So to me D is a beautiful language with no
beautiful tools so not usable to me yet.
All you need to set up dmd on Windows is to download it and
install.it is less than 2mins, you are good to go. Running your
code in command line is painless with dub. But who want to write
a millions of lines of code using plan text editors without code
hinting, auto complete and superior debuging?
I love D language so much. The language is true mature now. Fix
the following problem
* Get the plugin for intellij, eclipse and vs code working
especially on Windows
* Proper documentation for the various packages and library
*Make installation process as easy as installing dmd
*Books that touch all capability of the D langauge with real like
application. Programming in D is good but it must be enchance
further
D language must be easy to program on all pupular ide. All you
need to write c# code in vs code is just two or three extension.
There is code hinting, auto complete etc. Why will I not use C#
in vs code? I have no reason. Good language with good tools-
anybody will give it a trier
Walter and all the team have done a good job. But give me more
pride to sell D to all my colleagues. Programmers are known to be
proud of their language, they must have very good reasons to
switch. People switch from one languge to another because the new
language just easy their pain.
All the members of the D community must come together and face
really and work together to move the language further to make D
the number one langauge which is what D supposed to be.
Working individually have move us here but working collectively
will definitely make us the best. We must give people on all
platform- windows, Mac, Linux,intellij,exclipse, netbeam,vs code,
visual studio etc good reasons to use D besides the beaulty and
power of the language.
Love D and all involves
