On 12/24/18 2:44 AM, Joakim wrote:
On Sunday, 23 December 2018 at 22:36:05 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Huh? It's their decision, not yours. Even if the decision has no
reason at all, it's still theirs. What is the problem? Start your own
D "conference competitor" if you think you can do better.
They are accountable to the community, so the decision and its reasons
matter.
My impression is that the community likes and benefits from these
conferences, so everything's cool there.
I, for one, will not be donating to the foundation as long as
they continue to waste money this way, just as others have said they
won't donate as long as it doesn't put out a Vision document anymore or
otherwise communicate what it's doing with their money.
Nobody is asking for your money for this conference (unless you want to
attend), and if you feel this way, that's totally your choice. I like
the results that come from the conferences, I've been to all of them
since 2013, on my dime for 3, and with assistance for 3. I felt it was
100% worth it for all.
Nobody cares to debate something that has already been scheduled and
planned, the time to bring up concerns was earlier, when you brought
it up before. But that failed to convince, now it's decided, time to
move on.
So you agree with me that there's no point in "debating" it again,
perhaps you should have addressed this comment to Mike then?
Mike didn't start the debate in this thread, you did. Consider how one
feels when careful deliberation is made, and a final decision, combined
with an announcement is made. Would you like to have people question
your decisions AFTER they are made, and commitments have already been
established? The time to question them is before they are made, not
after. Questioning after is simply viewed (rightly) as sour grapes. You
didn't get your way, move on.
If it's such a great idea, that should be an easy case to make,
compared to the alternatives given. Yet all I get is a bunch of
stone-walling, suggesting no reasoning was actually involved, just
blindly aping others and the past.
It is easy, for those who have attended conferences and like them --
they work well. All past dconfs are shining examples. Just drop it and
move on to something else. You lost the battle for this one, it's no
longer up for discussion.
Heh, there was no "battle," as most of those responding didn't even
understand what I wrote, like Iain above, gave no arguments (we "like
them -- they work well"), and as finally clear from Mike and Walter's
responses here, there was no real deliberation on the matter.
You think they just flipped a coin one day, and didn't think about any
past experience at all? No real thinking must have gone into it because
only intelligent people can come to the conclusion you reached, right?
This kind of "debate" where the assumption is that only my way is
correct is common out there these days, it's tiring. The best thing you
can do is start a competing conference style and show how it works
better. I'm sure Walter and Andrei would not discourage more D
conferences or conference-like gatherings.
Since they don't take DConf seriously, I see no reason to either: I'll
just start ignoring it from now on.
That's unfortunate, but not anything I can change. You have contributed
a lot in terms of the android port, although I haven't really programmed
in android (I have a tiny bit, with Xamarin (hated it) and a bit with
Java (was OK, but crazy complicated) ). I hope at some point you
reconsider, I'd love to see a presentation on it.
-Steve
