On Thursday, 16 November 2017 at 11:24:09 UTC, codephantom wrote:
On Thursday, 16 November 2017 at 06:35:30 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grostad wrote: Yes, I agree that classes are a powerful modelling primitive, but my point was that Stroustrup made classes the 'primary focus of program design'. Yes, that made it more uniform alright... uniformly more complicated. And why? Because he went on to throw C into the mix, because performance in Simula was so poor, and would not scale. C promised the efficiency and scalability he was after. But an efficient and scalable 'class oriented' language, means complexity was inevitable.
Nah, he is just making excuses. Simula wasn't particularly slow as a design, but used a GC similar to the one in D and bounds checks on arrays, like D. C++ was just a simple layer over C and evolved from that. Had nothing to do with language design, but was all about cheap implementation. Initial version of C++ was cheap and easy to do.
I would never say OO itself is a failure. But the idea that is should be the 'primary focus of program design' .. I think that is a failure...and I think that principle is generally accepted these days.
Uhm, no? What do you mean by 'primary focus of program design' and in which context?
If the next C++ doesn't get modules, that'll be the end of it...for sure.
I like namespaces. Flat is generally better when you want explicit qualifications.
Yeah..but into what? It's all those furry gopher toys, t-shirts, and playful colors.. I think that's what's attracting people to Go. Google is the master of advertising afterall. Would work well in a kindergarten. But it makes me want to puke. It's so fake.
It is the runtime and standard library. And stability. Nice for smaller web services.
correct the past. They should be focused on the future. They should have got some experienced younger programmers at google to design a language instead. I bet it wouldn't look anything like Go.
Go isnt exciting and has some short-comings that is surprising, but they managed to reach a stable state, which is desirable when writing server code. It is this stability that has ensured that they could improve on the runtime. ("experienced young programmers" is a rather contradictory term, btw :-)
