Hello Andrei,
John Reimer wrote:
Hello Jason,
bearophile wrote:
My interest for this community and for D is decreasing quickly.
This may be a stupid question, but why is that?
I'll hazard a guess that it's because some ideas that have originated
from the community don't always get recognition by the D team.
Later, when the D team independently engineers similar ideas, it is
likely to be exasperating to the community members that promoted them
in the first place (and worked hard to implement them too).
This is a tad imprecise. I'll wait for bearophile to tell if he feels
he hasn't gotten the credit he believes he deserves before I answer
this particular point. At any rate, I'll be glad if anyone who does
feel not having been credited appropriately for contributions to D
could use this forum to tell about it. I'm big on properly assigning
credit where credit is due. But I also feel I can't give credit for
something I know does not reflect the process involved, just so
they're not unhappy.
This is just the way D Language development works, and I'm hoping the
effect is unintentional. Unfortunately, the "snub" effect will never
disappear as long as this community refuses to realize that D
development is not driven by the community; the community, as of now,
mostly operates as a highly tuned sounding board. By now many people
here probably understand the chosen mode of development, but maybe
some don't. It's not optimal... it's just the way it is.
Incidentally, this is one of the reasons there is still a divergence
between community and team developed libraries (ie Tango and Phobos).
Er... I suppose I've mentioned this before... :P
Many people, when they acquire an idea, understand and internalize it
to the point where they essentially reinvent it. Sometimes I noticed
this happens to Walter - he hears something without understanding it,
thinks it through, and comes back with it after having truly
rediscovered it. I've had to ask him explicitly to grant me credit in
a few instances, one of I remember right now being the scope
statements. There are a few others that I even know it's useless to
ask credit for... such as typelists which got mis-baptized as tuples,
foam at my mouth notwithstanding :o). Therefore, I'm sure many people
who must also be feeling Walter (or Bartosz or myself) should have
credited properly, but weren't friends enough with him/them/us to
casually ask for it. This can only be frustrating, so by all means do
tell about it.
What I'm trying to say is that every person has this and that little
quirk, and that Walter is one of the most honest and ethical persons I
have ever met. So if there's any odd snubbing effect or whatnot, that
is not intentional and could be easily corrected.
Andrei
Argh... I think I wrote that poorly. I didn't mean to say that you, Walter,
or Bartosz were adopting ideas from the community and taking credit for it.
I meant to say that, sometimes, the community will come up with an idea
idependently (perhaps prior to you gents), and it appears to get unrecognized
amid the posts: the effect is that these ideas/implementations seem ignored.
Then you guys end up sometimes /independently/ working on similar ideas
and implementing them on your own. That's where the other fella can get
exasperated. :) Granted it doesn't happen all the time...
However, concerning the dynamics of D community verses D team development
of D language design, I stand my ground. It's just the way it is. :)
-JJR
