23-Feb-2013 21:17, H. S. Teoh пишет:
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 05:57:23PM +0100, simendsjo wrote:
On Saturday, 23 February 2013 at 16:44:59 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
wrote:
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Anyone still using Java is just so last decade ;)
I've managed to dodge Java all these years, but I just started a
college which teach Java. Even after using it only for a couple of
thousand lines of code, I understand the hatred.. Feels like I'm in
a straitjacket. Yes, it might be easy to learn, but damn it's
verbose!
That was my reaction too, when I first starting learning Java. And that
is still my reaction today.
Aye. To my chagrin I have to work with Java quite a lot since late 2012.
I have to say that no amount of provided out of the box nice libraries
and top-notch GC help alleviate the dire need for plain value-types and
some kind of terseness (rows of static final int xyz = blah; to define a
bunch of constants). With Java version being 5 or 6 (as is usually the
case in production ATM) there is basically not a single construct to
avoid horrible duplication of information on each line.
There are few shortcuts in Java 7, and even more stuff in Java 8 but all
of it is coming horribly too late and doesn't fix the "big picture".
Plus that has to propagate into the mainstream.
It's not a *bad* language per se. In fact, a lot of it is quite ideal.
Or rather, idealistic, should I say. Unfortunately, that makes it a pain
to map to messy real-world situations -- you end up with a truckload of
wrappers and incrediblyLongAndVerboseIdentifiers just so the language
can remain "pure". As for being a straitjacketed language, this IOCCC
entry says it best:
http://www.ioccc.org/2005/chia/chia.c
--
Dmitry Olshansky
