Am 10.05.2013 16:29, schrieb H. S. Teoh:
Yeah, pretty much sums up how I feel about IDEs. But OTOH, the question at the end from the professor/lecturer proves that the majority of today's coders expect IDEs. I would vote for better education, but you can't deny the need for IDEs to at least smooth the transition from other languages.
I grew up with IDEs, the first being Turbo Pascal 3.0 foloowed by quite many variations, including Smalltalk and Lisp environments.
Then I got my first contact with UNIX in 1994 with Xenix, followed by DG/UX. It was a shock! It felt to me as if I was still in 1970 using the original UNIX.
In any case, I totally agree that if a language *needs* an IDE in order to cope with the amount of required boilerplate, then something is clearly very, very wrong at a fundamental level. I guess that's why I'm a D fan. :) T
I think the same of any language that needs any form of tooling to make it better. For example, C requires lint+MISRA C to give the language the safety I get out of the box with D, Extended Pascal, Modula-2, Ada and similar.
-- Paulo
