On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 08:50:46PM +0200, Ramon wrote: > On Thursday, 29 August 2013 at 07:02:40 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: > >Well, dsource.org is dead. The projects are basically there for > >reference only. Most project these days are at Github. I guess > >there isn't an obvious way to find all of them though. > > Thanks for that information an for - even better - pointing me to > something alive. > I'll come back on that later in a more general way.
I wonder if we should post a notice on dlang.org to the effect that dsource.org is dead, and that people shouldn't rely on it. Right now, having no way to actually update that site to add a notice to this effect, the first thing people are going to do when they discover D is to hit the search engines and dsource.org is inevitably going to turn up. Then it's anyone's guess whether the net effect will be positive or negative -- I'm guessing negative, a bad first impression of D that it has lots of promising but dead projects. [...] > But there is a (possibly very small) but, too: Tango. > > Maybe I'm simply mistaken but my impression so far is: There once > were 2 rt libraries, phobos and tango and (for whatever reason, no > judgement implied) phobos won and today with D2 it's D + phobos, > period. [...] This is a dark part of D's history that people don't really like to talk about... but as I understand it (I wasn't around at the time), the story went something like this: back in the days of D1, the original version of Phobos sucked because Andrei hasn't come on board yet, so the D community, out of dissatisfaction with the state of Phobos at that time, revolted and wrote their own standard library called Tango. This was a problem, because back then, Phobos and druntime were one and the same thing, so Tango had to provide its own D runtime. This meant that programs compiled with Phobos can't be linked with programs compiled with Tango, and vice versa, since their respective runtimes would conflict. As a result, half of all D code was specific to Tango and the other half was specific to Phobos. One striking example was the concurrent incremental GC implemented for Tango: it was a superior GC (at the time) but only Tango users could reap the benefit. Things like this caused an unpleasant schism in the D community. Anyway, long story short, eventually the decision was made to move to D2, and by then, Andrei had come on board, and he made Phobos awesome (or so I heard). Druntime was separated out from Phobos so that alternative standard libraries like Tango could be supported while still allowing interoperatibility between code compiled with either library. Phobos became better and better, and eventually gained the support of the majority of D users. Tango isn't dead, though; the D2 port of Tango is alive and well, and available if you wish to use it instead of Phobos. But I'd say that the current recommendation for newcomers is to use Phobos, since Phobos idioms and conventions are quickly becoming synonymous with "the D way" nowadays. T -- Ruby is essentially Perl minus Wall.
