On Monday, 2 September 2013 at 17:57:50 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 07:25:22PM +0200, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2013-09-02 17:16, H. S. Teoh wrote:
>OK, excuse the vim fanboyism, but I think any serious D IDE
>ought to
>have this kind of functionality to ease navigation through
>source
>code. Scrollbars are so last century. (Not to mention totally
>worthless when dealing with 10,000-line files when the bar is
>1 pixel
>high and scrolling by 1 pixel maps to 5 pages -- totally
>worthless
>for navigation.)
I would say you have too big files then, but that's another
discussion
:)
[...]
Well, personally I like to structure my code so that such big
files
don't happen. :) But then again, there's
*cough*std.algorithm*ahem*...
But I have to say that even with overly-large files, vim's
concept of
using search to find stuff instead of scrolling and trying to
find
things visually, helps one get into a mindset that makes
navigating
large source files more manageable. I used to be a big fan of
visual
navigation -- pgUp, pgDn, paragraph up, paragraph down, etc.,
but beyond
500 lines or so, they quickly become impractical. Having a
1-key search
function (that doesn't involve popups and other such
annoyances) with
reversible direction is a far superior approach. It also saves
a LOT of
keystrokes spent navigating horizontally when trying to reach a
specific
point on a line: no need to hit left/right keys 40 times or
move your
hand to the mouse and back, just search for a pair of
characters (3-4
keystrokes) and you're exactly where you need to be. It took me
a while
to get used to this mode of navigation, but I found it far
superior to
whatever it was I used to do.
T
This is exactly my experience now i use gVim. I haven't used a
scrollbar in years while coding (i even have the menu disabled).
Coupled with the Ctrl-P plugin and you can browse and search
among massive files in literally a few keystrokes. Before that i
used Visual Studio on Windows and even with all it's fancy
folding, regions, class outlines and diagrams i still feel much
more faster at traversing and understanding code now in Vim.
I just miss the debugger!!! Seriously agree with other comments
regarding this, D needs a better debugger. Even just a standalone
one. GDB seriously does not cut it. I use it with DDD (which
works just) but is horrible. Usually i make do with writeln(). :(
