On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 20:43:44 +0200 Andrej Mitrovic <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9/1/13, Manu <[email protected]> wrote: > > Or enforce that the devs actually experience the end-user > > experience. Then they'll know what the problems actually are, have > > a realistic perspective of their productivity impact, and might > > take them more seriously. > > But you can't force devs to hack on other people's IDE projects if > they're not interested in IDEs. (especially if the IDEs are written > in, say, C#, or are a complex C++ monster, or just have a lousy > codebase). > > If some IDEs don't work as advertised, why not file complaints to the > developers of those IDEs? > Or better yet, file pull requests. > > None of the others could be bothered creating > > yet-another-webpage-account to log bugs they encountered. I > > suggested they do so a few times. I was promptly ignored. It's just > > that manually logging in to non-ajax websites is so last decade. > > People are growing very weary of creating and managing accounts on > > every website they visit. > > Lazyness is abound these days. :) Indeed. Having a problem with logging in is about as lazy as it gets (except for the asinine login systems that that block mailinator addresses). But that said, logging in should *never* be a requirement for filing a bug report. It makes about as much sense as (tying into another branch of this thread here) preventing users from watching their own DVDs. I guess I didn't realize bugzilla was doing that since I've been logged into it for several years. > I don't know what ajax has to do > with it though. (web is not my thing) > It doesn't have anything to do with ajax, it's OpenID (which is unrelated to Ajax). And OpenID is inherently flawed - it's a phisher's and data-miner's wet dream. It should NOT be encouraged, and certainly shouldn't be used by anyone who cares in the slightest about their own security or privacy. OpenID is a perfect example of what "Practical Cryptography" (a book by Niels Ferguson and Bruce Schneier) calls "dancing pigs". ("When users have a choice between security and dancing pigs, dancing pigs will win every time.") If web logins are such a terrible chore, just use any of the many, many existing tools for managing logins. FF has one built-in, and I'm sure many others do, too. IIRC, OSX even has one at built in at the operating system level. Security-wise, some of these may not be perfect either, but at least they're not so ridiculously easy to phish and cracking them requires access to your actual machine. > I do like how stackoverflow allows you to log-in with a single click > (e.g. using a Google account or something else), if bugzilla allowed > this it would be neat. > I don't know if they still do, but stack overflow used to *require* that to log in. That's why I never use stack overflow. > Alternatively maybe we should allow unregistered user bug reports, but > use a captcha or something to fight spam. I don't know how doable this > is. Some other projects use this system (e.g. Tcl). *Definitely*
