Derek Parnell wrote:
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This I suspect is why dynamic typed languages are proving popular, because
you can get a 99% correct program shipped without having to spend 200% of
the money available.

The main problem I see with dynamically typed languages is simply that they are too concise. That is fine for small-scale development with just one or two programmers on a team who own the software for its entire lifetime. When it comes to enterprise software, the author might own the code for less than 6 months before they move on to another team or get reorganized into a different area. Not only that, the software most likely has to interact with other software, and people on other teams must then understand its interfaces.

Because dynamic languages explicitly leave out the details from the interface, you have to rely on the documentation that the original author didn't write to figure out how to use that software. You also have to rely on the tests they didn't write to verify that it works correctly. Static typing doesn't fix any of this by itself, but it does prevent the stupid-but-all-too-common errors where you call a function with the wrong number of arguments, transpose some arguments, etc. It also self-documents what is generally expected for each function in the interface and what kinds of objects will get constructed and passed around.

The more dynamic languages cater to large-scale development, the more they begin to look like statically-typed languages. So the argument that "it's faster to prototype with dynamic languages" is only relevant for small-scale software, IMO. In every case I've seen where there is a large system written in a dynamically typed language, I see a push by the newer engineers to rewrite it in a statically typed language, for all the reasons I stated above.

The economics of large-scale software engineering are such that writing the code constitutes only a small portion of the time creating the software. All that "burden" of writing types and making sure they match is very, very small compared to the additional safety they provide in an environment that will eventually be full of bugs by the time it hits production.

Of course, that implies that for tasks which do not require a lot of engineering, it is entirely appropriate and even advantageous to use a dynamic language. This tends to be utility/infrastructure coding to automate things in 1,000 lines or less. Perl is great as long as the user of the Perl script is a programmer.

So I think the whiner in the original article is missing the point. Dynamic languages are not, as far as I can tell, taking over the world... They mostly take up a small-scale niche where they can press their strengths. I would be very surprised to hear about a large-scale project in Python/Ruby/etc. (100k+ lines).

Dave

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