On 13/10/13 01:11, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:09:21 SomeDude wrote: >> On Monday, 7 October 2013 at 07:12:13 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: >>> On Monday, October 07, 2013 08:36:16 Jacob Carlborg wrote: >>>> On 2013-10-06 22:40, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: >>>>> I think /etc/ should be a stepping stone to std, just like >>>>> in C++ boost >>>>> is for std (and boost's sandbox is for boost). >>>> >>>> Currently "etc" seems like where C bindings are placed. >>> >>> That's what I thought that it was for. I don't remember etc >>> ever really being >>> discussed before, and all it has are C bindings, so the idea >>> that it would >>> hold anything other than C bindings is news to me, though I >>> think that we >>> should probably shy away from putting C bindings in Phobos in >>> general. >>> >>> - Jonathan M Davi >> >> The problem is, if these C bindings are removed, the immediate >> reflex will be to think that Phobos doesn't have the features >> that were fulfilled by these bindings. So the impulse will be to >> reinvent the wheel, when these bindings are perfectly okay and do >> the job well. C bindings is a way to save us time and build upon >> proven quality libraries. I don't see any problem with C bindings >> being in the standard library, as long as they are really useful >> and high quality. The "not invented here" itch is a bad one. The >> workforce of the community should be directed at real problems >> and filling real gaps, rather than being wasted at reinventing >> the wheel merely for aethetic/ideological reasons. >> >> I don't see any need to remove etc. > > Deimos is for C bindings, not Phobos. We don't want any more modules in std > built on top of C bindings for libraries that aren't guaranteed to be on all > of the systems that we support. Having std.net.curl has been very problematic > due to the problems with getting a proper version of libcurl to link against > in Windows, and there has even been some discussion of removing it entirely. > So, there will be no more Phobos modules built on anything like curl or > openssl or gcrypt or any other C library which isn't guaranteed to be on all > systems. That being the case, there's no point in putting C bindings in > Phobos. Deimos was created specifically so that there wolud be a place to get > bindings to C libraries. We may want to make some adjustments to how Deimos > is > handled, but it's our solution to C bindings, not Phobos: > > https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos > > druntime should have C bindings for the OSes that we support, but that's the > only C bindings that should be in D's standard libraries. Whether we'll > remove > any that we have is still up for debate, but we're not adding any more. > > - Jonathan M Davis >
+1 for removing std.net.curl too -- Jordi Sayol
