On Thursday, 21 November 2013 at 12:14:09 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Thursday, 21 November 2013 at 11:07:15 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Thursday, 21 November 2013 at 09:57:35 UTC, Bienlein wrote:
On Thursday, 21 November 2013 at 09:33:04 UTC, Bienlein wrote:
What puzzles me is the enormous activity in the Go forum.
Only
the Python forum has that much traffic. It seems to me that
people are all that happy if they have a language with which
they
can just start hacking around on something.
That is because Go doesn't force anyone to think about
design.
The only design-level construct it has is the class an
that's it.
Embedding is truly only to save coding effort not having to
type
in dereferenciation chains as in C. There is nothing except
classes, but no inheritance, traits, mixins, overriding,
etc. So
there is nothing that forces you to think about your design
in
Go. And you don't have to know about manual memory
management as
in Rust.
-- Bienlein
I forgot to say that I really don't know what this will end
up in
...
I'm wary of languages that are hyped by big companies or the
web programming community. First there was Java which is still
getting face lifts and plastic surgery. Then there was Ruby,
"the way to go", but it hasn't convinced me yet. If all these
languages are "soooo good", why do people still feel the need
to come up with new solutions (cf. all the new languages for
the JVM)? The answer is probably "tunnel vision" design and
development. The language designers offer one ideology and
users don't have to think when designing their programs.
Simple as that. If you have a big company to back this up,
people will think "it's THE ultimate best ever" language.
Personally, I enjoy the freedom of D programming, even though
with this freedom come tough questions as to the design of the
program.
You mean like C and C++ were by AT&T? Or FORTRAN and PL/I/M by
IBM?
Java was not the first one.
Languages need a corporate sponsor or a killer framework to
gain market share.
D's advantage is that there is no committee, laboratory or
marketing department that decides which features to implement.
It's as close to a grassroots thing as you can get, I think.
Luckily we can now point to Facebook as possible corporate
sponsor.
But that's post-factum. The language already happily exists
outside the corporate sphere, unlike Java that was a product from
the very beginning.
--
Paulo
