On Monday, 28 July 2014 at 19:31:24 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
Am 28.07.2014 21:13, schrieb Gary Willoughby:
On Monday, 28 July 2014 at 18:51:45 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
Also, and this needs to be stressed, the major part of w0rp's
work so
far is about the technical basis. You dismissed that as a
minor
detail, but it is not.
The design is *the* most important part of the web site.
Period! No one
cares how it works, only the user experience of the site
matters. Do you
think users give a hoot how facebook works?
Yes, I don't try to argue against the importance of the design.
The point is that it's an orthogonal feature and that it can be
worked on mostly independently. You focus on the design and
w0rp mostly focuses on the technical side, which is probably
part of the reason why the discussion doesn't work out very
well.
Also who starts a project without designing it first? I mean
honestly,
why start such a major piece of work without even a vague
spec? Has w0rp
even asked users here what the site needs to encompass? Has
the question
been asked what content must exist, who needs what info and
where,
colour schemes, for mobile devices? etc.
</flogging dead horse>
He basically just took the mockup of Aleksandar Ruzicic, which
was met with some optimism, and brought it to live. AFAICS
that's all he really did WRT the design. The content was
basically meant to stay the same as it is now*.
* Honestly, apart from some important key parts, such as the
front page or the download page, it would be insane to start
over and redo the contents, just for the sheer amount of work
that this would mean.
I'm not a designer. I'm a web developer. My understanding of web
design only comes from a technical and UX point of view. How CSS
works, how to structure forms to make them easier to read, etc. I
would love to get some help from a designer. It is as you say. I
brought Aleksandar's design to life, and that's pretty much how I
work during the day. I work with designers who provide mock-ups,
maybe some CSS, and I make it work.
I respect Gary's opinion that you should work on design first
then the technical aspects, but I believe you can work either
way, probably both ways simultaneously, and achieve the same
result. Architecture and design cannot function without one
another. Because I have far more experience as a web developer,
I've put the vast majority of my focus on putting the site
together so all of the pages fit into place, because they aren't
going to change a great deal from how they are now in terms of
content.
When it comes to web design, I just fill in the blanks when
there's no-one else to help. It's amateur work because I'm not
trained as a designer. So I'm just working on what I know I can
eventually get right until someone with more design experience
who is willing to submit pull requests comes along.
