Thanks for the feedback.
On Sunday, 14 December 2014 at 08:37:36 UTC, Manu via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
We were unable to build Win64 code (vibe.d doesn't support
Win64 it
seems), and the 32bit compiler produces useless OMF output. We
couldn't link against any of our existing code which was a
serious
inconvenience, but they were understanding and we worked around
it.
Did you try the new 32-bit COFF support in dmd from git?
The result was a bunch of die-hard native C programmers,
initially
excited to use a native language to write a webserver, instead
saying
stuff like "wow, node.js just worked! that's amazing,
javascript is
awesome!"... and then mocking me about my D language thing.
"die-hard native C programmers" who are fine with javascript? Is
it one or two orders of magnitude slower than vibe.d? ;) I know
v8 is fast for javascript, but it has to be significantly slower
than C and D.
What's the take-away here? Well, like I've been saying
endlessly for
years now, *first impressions matter*, and quality of tooling
matters
more than anything.
---snip---
I want to see flawless debugging put on the road map as top
priority.
We need a test environment for the windows installer and VS
integration that is thorough and that we can depend on.
It's 10 years overdue. We need to get this practical shit
together if
people are going to take D seriously!
---snip---
One of the take-away quotes I think, was "D seems to be a
language for
people who actively want to go and look for it, and take the
time to
learn it. That's never going to be a commercial success."
It's painful to accept the truth in that statement. Go and try
and
learn any other trendy language today. The homepage looks
modern,
there has been professional design, testing, and there are
instructional videos recorded by a professional voice actor
with that
trendy bloody upbeat ukulele music in the background that's in
all
tech videos these days...
There has never been a successful open source project without
significant commercial support, going from linux to perl on down
the line. D's commercial support consists of some Facebook
bounties, Sociomantic throwing out huge pulls occasionally that
never get merged, and companies like EMSI chipping in where they
can. D will never have "commercial success" through the higher
quality tooling and presentation you are calling for without more
significant commercial involvement to fund it, period.
Right now, D is bleeding-edge technology. You have to know how
to stay away from the chipper blades of the D chainsaw or it
could cut your arm open and you could bleed out. Not a problem
for hobbyists, but a big problem for companies, who are used to
all the rough edges being sanded down and paying through the nose
for such support. If decision-makers at companies are hoping to
get such polished work for free from a volunteer-oriented OSS
project, they should have their heads examined.
On Sunday, 14 December 2014 at 09:13:20 UTC, Rikki Cattermole
wrote:
Great example, how about separating out Walters website from
D's? Or one Google indexed web interface to the news group.
Great idea, I mentioned this before and nothing was done:
http://forum.dlang.org/post/[email protected]
What's especially embarrassing is the old web archive will often
garble posts and render them unreadable.
