On Thursday, 16 April 2015 at 04:05:19 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Forgive my being skeptical but my repeated appeals to
contributions - most of them important, urgent, and of high
impact - sometimes labeled with [WORK] in this forum, have been
answered by the same very small kernel of contributors
(including Walter and myself), regardless of their difficulty
(sometimes trivial). Lists, labels, management techniques that
are touted in this forum every few months or so - no avail. The
vision document that everybody asked about? Read and dutifully
ignored - back to the next naming debate. The sad reality is
that if one of about a handful of core folks doesn't do it, it
won't get done. My resolution is to do more of everything; that
way more of everything will get done. -- Andrei
I understand that it's frustrating to get stuff done on a
decentralized open source project, but you have to help
contributors a bit in order for them to help you. Your [WORK]
appeals have been a great step- I had one of them open in my
browser to remind me to get to it, but Walter beat me to it- but
the forum is not easy to keep track of and navigate for newbies.
How much harder would it be for you to stick all those in a
single wiki page, to make it easier for noobs to find and easy
for us to point them at? That's all I'm asking for. As far as I
can tell, lists and bugzilla labels have not actually been tried
yet, so you cannot dismiss them so easily.
As for the vision document, it was definitely a step in the right
direction, so that the community is clear on the vision of the
BDFLs, but it was a little less concrete than I would have liked.
Back it up with some concrete lists of issues for each vision
item and it would go a lot further, for example, what are the
five bugzilla issues that would most help improve quality of
implementation? Without listing those, it's just airy talk,
missing specific steps you'd like to see taken.
Of course, you can go to all the trouble of coming up with a list
of action items and nobody outside the core group may still
contribute, as I said from the beginning. But if you don't make
it easier for new or non-core contributors, you just lowered the
odds of them pitching in from 7% to 1%. All we're trying to do
is raise those odds, and I don't think a list will take you or
Walter much time, just like this one deadalnix put up.
