On Saturday, 28 October 2017 at 00:05:53 UTC, codephantom wrote:
Rubbish!
And get you facts straight!
Where did I advocate from the removal of the ability for D to
generate 64-bit binaries?
So you are saying to not use the platform's tools to generate
binaries. That's like saying not to the use linux's tools to
generate binaries on that platform and instead D should build
it's own tools in order to be able to. D has a small enough
community as it is, it isn't capable of developing such tools.
You are advocating for the removal of the only way to currently
genreate 64-bit binaries in D. The only other solution is mingw,
and honestly those tools aren't nearly as polished as one run by
a company with almost limitless resources. If you don't want to
deal with Visual Studio, I'll deal you one better, why are you
bothering to deal with Windows at all? If you don't like
Microsoft so much just switch to Linux, there your problem is
solved. You can't even install Visual Studio on Linux.
At a minimum, I had to download 3.5GB of VS build tools just so
I could compile a 64 bit D program (and it took me almost a
whole day to work out the correct process).
It's really not that difficult, you install it and it pretty much
just works. The only problem case is if you install D before you
install Visual Studio.
Wow 3.5 GB, that's so much! If only there were TB HDDs at an
affordable price, oh god why does it have to be so big to
install! Anyways maybe I just don't see it as a problem cause I
have to download much much bigger files. Good thing you don't
play games cause they are getting into the 80 GB range nowadays.
Is is it problem that D should accept, and just impose on it's
users?
Or should D find a better way?
Which is the worse mentality?
Your on the Windows platform, not support Windows tools is
annoying and you aren't going to find better tools. If you don't
like the way Microsoft does business, you have 2 other platforms
you can go to. Buy a Mac or boot up Linux. Just stop making
Windows a worse platform by suggesting to drop support for the
official development tools.
There is no "better way". Every other way is going to be worse
cause Windows doesn't have as big of a community dabbling in
building tools like GCC and Clang for Windows. Why? Cause there's
Visual Studio. Like I said, ideals are nice and all but people
still need to get shit done. That's what your argument boils down
to, the ideal of finding a better way than what is currently
available. The problem is you aren't even suggestion a better
way, you are just trying to sell it on the false belief that
there is something better. But there isn't. This is worse than
religion..
Why don't you like VS, cause they changed something? Rofl,
whenever there is change people hate it. Cause people don't like
change, for the only reason that they don't want to learn
something new. I don't know how many times I teach someone a
hotkey that's way better than their current method and they just
keep going with their horribly slow method cause that's what they
know. And download size? I could say why are you even on Windows,
Linux is like 20 GB smaller download size and takes up less HDD
space than Windows. So why the hell are you even on Windows? Oh
yah once you install it you don't have to worry about it for
years on end. You want to drop support for VS cause of something
you spend once doing and then pretty much never have to do again
for years to come. Please no, just switch to Linux and let the
people that actually need to use the Windows platform, use it
effectively.
