On Thursday, 11 October 2018 at 12:22:19 UTC, Vijay Nayar wrote:
On Thursday, 11 October 2018 at 11:50:39 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Thursday, 11 October 2018 at 07:58:39 UTC, Russel Winder
wrote:
This was supposed to come to this list not the learn list.
On Thu, 2018-10-11 at 07:57 +0100, Russel Winder wrote:
It seems that in the modern world of Cloud and Kubernetes,
and the charging
model of the Cloud vendors, that the startup times of JVMs
is becoming a
financial problem. A number of high profile companies are
switching from
Java
to Go to solve this financial difficulty.
It's a pity D is not in there with a pitch.
I suspect it is because the companies have heard of Go (and
Rust), but not
D.
I doubt D could make a pitch that would be heard, no google
behind it and all that jazz. D is better aimed at startups
like Weka who're trying to disrupt the status quo than Java
shops trying to sustain it, while shaving off some up-front
time.
Personally I think this is going to change soon depending on
what options are available. The amount of time and money that
companies, especially companies using Java and AWS, are putting
in to saving money with Nomad or Kubernetics on the promise of
having more services per server is quite high. However, these
JVM based services run in maybe 1-2GB of RAM at the minimum, so
they get maybe 4 services per box.
A microservice built using D and vibe.d could easily perform
the same work using less CPU and maybe only 500MB of RAM. The
scale of improvement is roughly the same as what you would get
by moving to containerization.
If D has the proper libraries and integrations available with
the tools that are commonly used, it could easily break through
and become the serious language to use for the competitive
business of the future.
But libraries and integrations will make or break that. It's
not just Java you're up against, it's all the libraries like
SpringBoot and all the integrations with AWS systems like SQS,
SNS, Kinesis, MySQL, PostGREs, Redis, etc.
My hope is that D will be part of that future and I'm trying to
add libraries as time permits.
I'm skeptical of that cloud microservices wave building up right
now. I suspect what's coming is a decentralized mobile wave, just
as the PC once replaced big iron like mainframes and
minicomputers, since top mobile CPUs now rival desktop CPUs:
"the [Apple] A12 outperforms a moderately-clocked Skylake CPU in
single-threaded performance"
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13392/the-iphone-xs-xs-max-review-unveiling-the-silicon-secrets/4
Many of the crypto-coins are trying to jumpstart a decentralized
app ecosystem: someone will succeed.
