On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:21:37 -0400, Pelle <[email protected]> wrote:

As heard around these parts, a lot of people want property-style function calls to require the function to be declared with @property, like this:

@property foo(); //getter
@property foo(int); //setter

foo; //getter
foo = 13; //setter

While this seems quite reasonable, in practice I and others feel this leads to confusion, especially the getter part. Mostly when the getter has no setter counterpart. D also lets us call no-argument functions without parentheses today, so for this to happen a lot of code needs to change.

How is this confusing? It's a read-only property. They are used in countless design patterns.

Furthermore, how will allowing any no-arg function to be called without parentheses *not* lead to confusion?

e.g.

struct File
{
   bool open() {...}
}

File f;

if(f.open) // looks to me like a property saying whether f is open
if(f.open()) // looks to me like a function opening f.

Like it or not, the parentheses are part of the name of the function/property, and to not be able to control whether parens are used as an author of said function/property leaves me to answer unending requests for changes to the API, such as "why don't you change open to openFile to make it clear that it's a function." Hey, look, we're back to Java's getX and setX, but in reverse! Wheeee!

With @property, I don't have to do that, because it's very obvious that since open requires parentheses, it is effecting an action on f.


My suggestion is as follows; require @property for single-argument setters *only*. Make the silly writeln = 13; go away, but keep the "a b c".split;. This way, there can be no confusion about @property, and most code will go unchanged.

@property is much better than the current situation, even for getters. C#, python, I'm sure other languages, have worked fine for years with explicit properties, this debate is non-existent there.

In a couple months after @property has been enforcing the parens rule, nobody will think about this debate any more. The only pain is in undoing the hack that is D's current properties.

-Steve

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