On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:36:32 -0400, retard <r...@tard.com.invalid> wrote:
Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:22:09 -0400, bearophile wrote:
Jesse Phillips:
This is exactly how it should be marketed. It has the productivity of
Python, other dynamic languages, with the performance and power of a
natively compiled language.
Most programmers are able to see that's very false, today.
The main and maybe only advantage of D over C# is that it's
multi-platform. But today the Web is very important, and D can't be used
in browers.
I don't find it surprising that people here agree, when one is bashing
other languages. However, please consider that C# is *higher* level
language than D and that means it by definition has better portability to
multiple platforms. You already have a C# virtual machine for all major
operating systems. C# even runs on a browser (silverlight/moonlight).
How is C# higher level than D? C# is definitely a multi-platform
language, and a good language. But I consider them on the same level.
Both are imperative compiled languages that use garbage collection. C#
has runtime reflection, D has compile-time reflection. There's nothing I
can see besides library support that puts C# above D, and that's not the
language's fault.
I think that if D wants a chance to not die as many other C-inspired
languages have done in past, Walter needs lot of perseverance and to
keep slowly improving D for 8-10 more years. When D will be "good
enough" maybe some people will start to use it. But the implementation
of D2 is currently far from that point.
D2 basically brought the number of supported libraries back to zero. It's
almost like starting from scratch.
+1 dcollections :)
But on that note, most libraries in dsource are defunct anyways, and
wouldn't compile on the latest D1. Someone needs to clean that attic
someday.
Also, D is able to use any C library with minimal effort.
Jesse Phillips wrote:
This is exactly how it should be marketed. It has the productivity of
Python, other dynamic languages, with the performance and power of a
natively compiled language.
I keep wondering, what language has the best productivity? How is it
possible that people here STILL think that a single language could solve
all problems. Is Python the right choice when creating interactive
browser games? Is it the right choice for iPhone? Is it good for writing
filesystem drivers? Is it good for high performance computing (vs FORTRAN
et al).
Bleh, this is really a personal choice I think. D is my preference when
given a choice. But most of the time, I'm not given a choice...
Juanjo Alvarez wrote:
As a newcomer after one week learning and toying with D my productivity
is about 70% of the one I have with Python after 8 years doing Python,
and higher than the one I've with Java or C++.
That's pretty awesome. You have maybe 0.001% of the libraries directly
available, a buggy compiler, no 64-bit support, no formal spec etc. etc.
And still you get about 70% of the productivity. And people say Python is
maybe the most productive general purpose language out there. That's just
incredible. My guess is, when D 2.0 is finally production ready, you're
at least 100 times more productive than with Python. You can write 100000
lines of code per day.
And you are still posting on this NG because...?
-Steve
