Nahh, its just him, he apparently likes you the most (^ . ^) (jk) On 19 October 2010 21:53, Andrei Alexandrescu <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 10/19/10 14:04 CDT, Max Samukha wrote: > >> On 10/19/2010 09:06 PM, Walter Bright wrote: >> >>> bearophile wrote: >>> >>>> The point I was trying to express is that from what I have seen people >>>> are >>>> able to learn to program Python (this means quite more than just the >>>> syntax) >>>> in *much* less time it takes to learn C++/D. And this has precise >>>> causes. >>>> >>> >>> Time will tell how long it will take people to become idiomatically >>> proficient in D. But also consider that Andrei's book "Modern C++ >>> Design" completely changed the idiomatic way people wrote C++ programs. >>> A 1990's state of the art C++ program is very different from a 2010 one. >>> >>> We've only just begun figuring out the right way to write D programs. >>> >> >> That is funny. Now and then you and Andrei talk so confidently about Go, >> C#, Haskell and other D competitors, without having written more than a >> couple of lines in those languages. At the same time, you are claiming >> that it takes years to even start to learn a programming language. Sure, >> it is not problems with D that make it difficult to use. We simply don't >> know how to program in D yet, after several years of doing just that. >> > > I agree this seems to be a contradiction. Haskell is a fairly mature > language building on a staunch pure functional base so many of its idioms > have been established. C# uses rather conservative features so it's not > difficult to learn from the perspective of the languages that influence it. > Go is a small language that has one defining feature (the implicit signature > conformance) that does add a certain flavor but is understood and has been > experimented with in other languages. > > D has added a lot in the direction of generics, and by their nature > generics interact heavily with the rest of the language. I agree it is > taking time to get to best use of such, but it's not wasted time because it > marks real progress. For example, code using the relatively new template > constraints is better than code that didn't use them. > > > With all due respect for Andrei, I doubt that it is his book that >> completely changed the way people wrote C++ programs. It was >> influential, right, but it was really not a single factor. And some of >> ideas presented in that book are avoided by reasonable programmers. >> >> Please stop so shamelessly advertising each other. Thanks! >> > > Sorry. Do I advertise Walter that frequently? > > > Andrei > -- // Yours sincerely // Emil 'Skeen' Madsen
