ruben niemann Wrote:

> Diego Cano Lagneaux Wrote:
> 
> > Well, I think a simple look at the real world is enough to agree that you  
> > need several years of experience and good skills. Moreover, my personal  
> > experience is that it's easier to get a job (and therefore the much needed  
> > working experience) when you have a 3-year degree than a 5-year one, at  
> > least in Spain: I've been told at many job interviews that I was  
> > 'overqualified' (I didn't care about that, just wanted to work, but they  
> > did)
> 
> Same happened to me. I've MSc in computer engineering from a technical 
> university. I began my PhD studies (pattern recognition and computer vision), 
> but put those on hold after the first year because it seemed there isn't much 
> non-academic work on that field and because of other more urgent issues. Four 
> years after getting my MSc I'm still writing user interface html / css / 
> javascript / php in a small enterprise. Hoping to see D or some strongly 
> typed language in use soon. I'm one of the techies running the 
> infrastructure, I should have studied marketing / management if I wanted to 
> go up in the organization and earn more.

It's usually your own fault if you don't get promotions. My career started with 
WAP/XHTML/CSS, J2EE, Tapestry, Struts, then Stripes, Spring, Hibernate, jQuery, 
and few others. Due to my lack of small talk social skills, I was frist moved 
from client interface and trendy things to the backend coding and testing, 
later began doing sysadmin work at the same company. My working area is in the 
basement floor near a tightly locked and cooled hall full of servers. It's 
pretty cold here, I rarely see people (too lazy to climb upstairs to fetch a 
cup of coffee so I brought my own espresso coffee maker here) and when I do, 
they're angry because some <foobar> doesn't work again.

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